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fstamp:
My wife's Authorized King James Version (1985-translated out of the original tongues) renders this verse "who  WILL have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

"The New Testament" translated from the Sinaitic manuscript discovered by Constantine Tischendorf at Mt. Sinai renders this same verse as "who WILLS that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth." 

American Standard-ASV 1901 renders it "who WOULD have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth. 

I've also seen the words "wishes" and "desires" being used in this verse. 

CONFUSED?

Thanks, FSTAMP...

winner08:
This also confuses me. When reading my Bible or asked a question, I always have to wonder if the translation is correct. As before I started reading Ray's teachings I did not know any better. At that time I thought ignorent in bliss.

                                  Darren

Kat:
Hi FATAMP,

Well here is what the different Concrodances have.  I hope this is not more confusing, but it will give you and idea of how this word is used.

1Ti 2:4  Who will2309 have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (KJV)


Strong's
will - G2309

θέλω, ἐθέλω

thelō  ethelō

thel'-o, eth-el'-o

Either the first or the second form may be used. In certain tenses θελέω theleō  thel-eh'-o (and ἐθέλέω  etheleō eth-el-eh'-o) are used, which are otherwise obsolete; apparently strengthened from the alternate form of G138; to determine (as an active voice option from subjective impulse; whereas G1014 properly denotes rather a passive voice acquiescence in objective considerations), that is, choose or prefer (literally or figuratively); by implication to wish, that is, be inclined to (sometimes adverbially gladly); impersonally for the future tense, to be about to; by Hebraism to delight in: - desire, be disposed (forward), intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, (be) will (have, -ling, -ling [ly]).


will - G2309

θέλω  /  ἐθέλω

thelō  /  ethelō

Thayer Definition:
1) to will, have in mind, intend
    1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
    1b) to desire, to wish
    1c) to love
         1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
1d) to take delight in, have pleasure


King James Concordance
will - G2309

θέλω  /  ἐθέλω

thelō  /  ethelō

Total KJV Occurrences: 208

would - 73 times
Mat_2:18, Mat_5:42, Mat_7:12, Mat_12:38, Mat_14:5, Mat_18:23, Mat_18:30, Mat_22:3, Mat_23:37 (2), Mat_27:15, Mat_27:34, Mar_3:13, Mar_6:19, Mar_6:26, Mar_6:48, Mar_7:24, Mar_9:30, Mar_10:35-36 (2), Luk_1:62, Luk_6:31, Luk_13:34 (2), Luk_15:28, Luk_16:26, Luk_18:4, Luk_18:13, Luk_19:27, Joh_1:43, Joh_6:11, Joh_7:1, Joh_7:44, Joh_9:27, Joh_12:21, Act_7:39, Act_10:10, Act_14:13, Act_16:3, Act_19:33, Act_24:6, Act_26:5, Rom_1:13, Rom_7:15-16 (2), Rom_7:19-21 (4), Rom_11:25, Rom_16:19, 1Co_7:7, 1Co_7:32, 1Co_10:1, 1Co_10:20, 1Co_11:3, 1Co_12:1, 1Co_14:5, 2Co_1:8, 2Co_5:4, 2Co_12:20 (2), Gal_1:7, Gal_3:2, Gal_5:17 (2), Col_1:27, Col_2:1, 1Th_2:18, 1Th_4:13, 2Th_3:10, Phm_1:14, Heb_12:17

will - 69
Mat_5:40, Mat_8:3, Mat_11:13-14 (2), Mat_12:7, Mat_15:32, Mat_16:24-25 (2), Mat_20:14-15 (2), Mat_20:26-27 (2), Mat_20:32, Mat_21:29, Mat_23:4, Mat_26:15, Mat_26:39, Mat_27:17, Mat_27:21, Mat_27:43, Mar_1:41, Mar_6:25, Mar_8:34-35 (2), Mar_10:43-44 (2), Mar_14:7, Mar_14:36, Mar_15:9, Mar_15:12, Luk_4:6, Luk_5:13, Luk_9:23-24 (2), Luk_12:49, Luk_13:31, Luk_19:14, Joh_5:21, Joh_5:40, Joh_6:67, Joh_7:17, Joh_8:44, Joh_9:27, Joh_15:7, Joh_17:24, Joh_21:22, Act_17:18, Act_18:21, Rom_9:18 (3), 1Co_4:19, 1Co_4:21, 1Co_7:36, 1Co_7:39, 1Co_14:35, 1Co_16:7, 2Co_8:11, Phi_2:13, 1Ti_2:4, 1Ti_5:11, 2Ti_3:12, Jam_4:15, 1Pe_3:10, 3Jo_1:13, Rev_11:5-6 (3), Rev_22:17

wilt - 22
Mat_8:2, Mat_15:28 (2), Mat_17:4, Mat_19:17, Mat_20:21 (2), Mat_26:17, Mar_1:40, Mar_6:22, Mar_10:51, Mar_14:12, Mar_14:36, Luk_5:12, Luk_9:54, Luk_18:41, Luk_22:9, Joh_5:6, Act_7:28, Act_9:6, Rom_13:3, Jam_2:20

desire - 9
Mar_9:35, Luk_20:46, 2Co_11:12, 2Co_12:6, Gal_4:9, Gal_4:20-21 (2), Gal_6:12-13 (2)

willing - 8
Mat_1:19, Luk_10:29, Luk_23:20, Joh_5:35, Act_24:27, Act_25:9, Rom_9:22, Heb_13:18

wouldest - 4
Joh_21:18 (3), Heb_10:5, Heb_10:8

desirous - 3
Luk_23:8 (2), Joh_16:19, 2Co_11:32

desiring - 2
Luk_8:20, 1Ti_1:7

listed - 2
Mar_9:12-13 (2)
 
pleased - 2
1Co_12:18, 1Co_15:38
 
willingly - 2
Joh_6:21, 2Pe_3:5

desired - 1
Luk_10:24

desireth - 1
Luk_5:39

disposed - 1
1Co_10:27

forward - 1
2Co_8:10

intending - 1
Luk_14:28

listeth - 1
Joh_3:8

love - 1
Mar_12:38

mean - 1
Act_17:20

meaneth - 1
Act_2:12

rather - 1
1Co_14:19

voluntary - 1
Col_2:18

willeth - 1
Rom_9:16

mercy, peace and love
Kat

ciy:
Fstamp,

I see no confusion here at all.  Whether God will have all men to be saved or whether He wills all men to be saved or whether He would have all men to be saved, the end results is the same. 
All men will be saved. 
This is God we are taking about, so if He desires, wishes, wills, wants, etc it will all be done. 

CIY

dewey:
hello  ciy , I dont think that  could have been explained any better than you just did .
 in the spirit of Christ,  love ya , dewey said it

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