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A question about lost people.
Samarnon:
Hi to all! ;)
--- Quote from: David on July 22, 2008, 05:19:15 PM ---If somone dies without knowing Christ, then I believe that 1 Tim 2:4 will be as true and profound a statement as it is to those who know Christ during their lifetime. They WILL be saved, and they WILL come unto a knowledge of the truth, and part of that truth will be the "Babylon" experience.
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I think I agree with what David is saying here. Because for many of us, we’ve been part of the “For many are called, but few are chosen in (Matthew 22:14) that means, we’ve been in Babylon as the “called-out” and then God calls us out again from Babylon in (Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues , this is for His chosen elect few and if we think that we are part of His elect then, (2Peter 1:10) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
This is from my 1Peso worth of wisdom ;D
God bless,
Joy
jakfr0s:
Hi all, I think I remember Ray saying in one of his papers that in the second resurrection that everyone that never had a chance to experience evil or babylone would have that chance during that time.Especially the unborns or miscarriages who were murdered or just didnt have chance. I could be wrong or maybe im mixing it up with something else?
Robin:
I've also had questions this week about why non believers experience such terrible suffering and evil if it is not judgment now or training in righteousness. I've been trying to figure out what purpose it serves in their life. I have no answer.
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 22, 2008, 02:10:58 PM ---This is not so much a hypothetical question as it is theoretical.
Ray says, and there is general agreement here, that for one to 'come out of Babylon' she or she must first be IN Babylon.
What does this mean for your regular run-of-the-mill 'lost' person, unbeliever, sinner without Christ, person who has never heard the gospel (or church heresies for that matter)?
Is this covered anywhere specifically? If not, do you have any wisdom to share?
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Hi! Dave from Tenn
Using English currency, I'll stick in my penny worth. I tend to place Believers, Lost and Nonbelievers in three distinct categories. HOT - LUKEWARM - COLD. "‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth." (Rev.3:14-16).
First in order of selection: The TRUE BELIEVER who accepts the TRUE GOSPEL or GOOD NEWS - The Hot: Second in order of selection the nonbelievers who completely reject the gospel - The Cold: Third and last in order of selection BABYLON who blaspheme the GOSPEL by preaching BAD NEWS - The LUKEWARM that God spits out of His mouth.
We were in danger of being spit out through no fault of our own because our traditionalist parents put us in without our knowledge or consent, but by the grace of God we have been called out of her as His chosen. Those that end up in the spittoon, I fear, will end up worse than those who are cold
That's how we come to be in Babylon, innocently. Those that fall for the door to door peddlers are only falling from one roasting pan in BABYLON into another.
This in my opinion only, but I hope it helps.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Kat:
This age that we are in now is so that people can have an experience in physical life. It is this 'experience' that is so importance and it is to learn good and evil.
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
In this present age, from Adam all the way until Christ returns when the human race is completed, this whole world has been in darkness and are 'lost' as Job said;
Job 12:25 They grope in the dark without light,
And He makes them stagger like a drunken man.
This darkness and the "experience in evil" that is necessary for all people. But it is only a moment in time, that we will spend here in our existence.
James 4:14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.
It is this brief period of time that all the people are gaining the contrast of the darkness that we all need, by this evil experience. The suffering and sadness and grief must be and to the degree that will be remembered and God determines what it takes. But this is only for a predetermined amount of time, so that we can endure it (not an eternal torment, like hell that the church preaches).
When we look back on everything we have suffered, we will remember the experience but not so much the actual pain. So it is this experience that we will take with us from this life.
When Christ returns and raises the dead, the world will be so different and everyone will receive comfort and these things we all suffer will be only a memory.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
v. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
It is only a very few that He is choosing out of this world that will serve with Him to bring all the rest of humanity to salvation in the age to come. For now the people of the world are blind and content to stay that way.
John 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.
Those who have their eyes opened are so few. We should be so thankful and hopeful that we can remain faithful until the end.
Luke 21:34 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
v. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
v. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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