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A question about lost people.
WhoAmI:
It is all Babylonia to me. It doesn't matter if they don't believe church doctrines, they are blind as well. It is all babble and confusion. It is all building your own tower to heaven and sitting on the throne.
David:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on July 22, 2008, 05:21:39 PM --- It is all Babylonia to me. It doesn't matter if they don't believe church doctrines, they are blind as well. It is all babble and confusion. It is all building your own tower to heaven and sitting on the throne.
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You're right IMO, lost people are just as much in Babylon as those in the Churches. 2 Cor 4:4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Dave in Ten, your questions is very interesting. IMO, I don't think you have to be in a physical Church to have the Babylon experience. We can come out of the Church physically yet still spiritually be in Babylon. People can indeed come to Christ without ever joining a Church group etc, yet still be filled with false teachings and understandings from whatever commentaries they are reading, websites they are reading etc. With the internet and TBN, you can be in Babylon 24/7 without ever leaving your armchair. I think we're always coming out of Babylon, even at an advanced stage of understanding........our carnal minds and the pulls of our flesh will be with us until the day we die.
Dave in Tenn:
That makes good sense. It's certainly hard to imagine anybody living the US not having their eyes blinded from a fairly early age.
I suppose even the 'gentiles' of the early church age had thier own lies to overcome even if they weren't Pharasaical.
Maybe it's just my inner missionary coming out, being smacked down by my inner cultural prejudice.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
An interesting topic here.
Although I do not believe that one must be in a physical church building to have the "Babylon" experience I do believe that one has to gain his "first love" before he can lose it and fall into Babylon. If we take every person that has ever lived in the history of the world how many know of Christ, how many "accepted Christ? In the overall picture not many.
If you look at 2Kings Chapter 20 you will see that King Hezekiah sought to impress the ambassadors of Babylon with the riches of Judah, this did not please God and began the series of events which brought forth the exile of the Jews from the Promised Land to captivity in Babylon. Can you see the type/shadow of the church here? Instead of heeding the will of his "first love" (God) Hezekiah sought to impress men and win their approval.
Remember the Babylon we are speaking of, the Mystery Babylon of Revelation is a spiritual experience not a physical one, it is about spiritual fornication, lies, lust and greed for things of this world under the guise of spirituality, in other words it is the love of the things of this world in the name of Christ!
So if we look at it in a spiritual sense a person who never had a love of Christ to begin with could not lose his or her first love (Christ) and return to the world when they never left the world to begin with.
How God deals with each individual unbeliever is something I have no clue to other than they will at some point learn righteousness.
Peace,
Joe
winner08:
Yes, at some point they will learn rightousness. You hit the nail on the head. Isa 26:9. When thy judgements are in the earth the inhabitants of the world will learn rightousness.
Darren
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