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David:
--- Quote from: winner08 on August 02, 2008, 08:20:27 PM ---There's a saying that goes something like this: Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. To make an informed decision one most have good information. Myself I like to know everything possible on the subject then make a well inform decision. Besides that it is very interesting to know where and how these pagan rituals got started. Also how they found their way into the man made christian doctrine.
Darren
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Darren, people may well know a lot more about history than you give credit for. Having a detailed knowledge of spurious nonsense, which is basically what most of these books about pagan myths and traditions are full of, does not IMO equip one with the tools to guard against false pagan traditions and doctrines.
Studdying the scriptures, keeping the doctrine of Jesus Christ, and praying daily without ceasing for wisdom and understanding as Solomon did helps me steer well clear of any of these pagan fairy tales. I'm well aware of where a lot of the garbage in the church originates from, and I'm also very well aware, as I thought most here would be, that allowing that nonsense to creep into ones daily study and life will infect you if you are not well guarded against it. I wish this as no offense to anyone, but I believe its the height of foolishness to teach that one should learn about these things in order to guard against them. Surely one doesn't need to try heroin to be aware of its evil effects.
Again I refer to Deu 12:30. Doesn't seem to me that this scripture is just "friendly advice" but a clear concise commandment with a reason and purpose that God intends us to obey. This commandment in Due 12:30 is directly linked to the 1st 2nd and 3rd commandments of Exo 20.
To say to Deu 12:30 "well, you need to learn about this stuff so you know what its all about etc etc", well that's like saying one needs to read and enquire all about murder in order to understand why God said "You shall do no murder" in Exo 20:13.
The scriptures on this issue seem pretty clear to me, that's all I shall say on this matter.
God bless you.
David.
KristaD:
Murder is a little different. We KNOW what murder is and are quite aware of how not to do it. If we don't know what the heathens are doing how can we know that we are not doing the same as them? I'm not at all saying to study any pagan things, just be aware of what they are. Yes the scriptures are clear that we are not to seek out the pagan things but I see nothing in the scripture that says we should be ignorant of what the pagan things are.
AK4:
--- Quote ---Just a word of caution. Be mindful in all things regarding God's Truth. Ray is a gifted teacher and because of his willingness to spend time on his knees and countless hours of prayerful study, we're also blessed as we read and learn through his insight into Scripture, however Ray is a servant of God just as you are. We all have to be careful to remember that first and foremost - God is the Source of all Truth.
I've been reading Ray's writings for about 5 years and I've found that the most valuable thing I've learned from him is to "seek God with all my heart". Ray's writings inspire me to search for God on a level I never knew existed, but Ray is a springboard, a launchpad to assist us as we each strive to find deeper meaning in God's Word in our own lives. God will work in you to the extent you're willing, just as He works in Ray. Ray's greatest gift is his hunger to know his Creator. We should all be so blessed.
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Jeff,
You hit the nail right on the head. something i am trying to teach my kids is to question everything--even question me telling you to question everything. Ray has alot of knowledge but even Ray tells you "dont take my word for, look it up yourself"
I was reading alot posts on here and i was kinda seeing what you are saying. I still question what Ray writes, but that dont take away from me having faith and faith that Gods is using Ray. I trust Rays writings, but we are told test the spirits. I thank God everytime i tests Ray spirit it passes!!!
In Jesus,
Anthony
OBrenda:
This may be a foolish,
but do you think there is a difference between inquiring after Pagan Gods,
verses,
researching our own faith/religion which all comes from Babylon,
to find the origins of rituals when they contradict the scriptures?
Is it me, or is it possible these two endeavors are not the same thing?
How could we have come to the knowledge of the "whore" unless someone studied these things?
Respectfully,
Brenda
winner08:
Sorry David this is where we agree to disagree. I believe that many of people do not know history. Yes, your right I don't give much credit to people knowing history. Just look at our leaders. Look where we are at. I don;t want to get political. What about the Bible How many people can you honestly say they know their bible? The history, (Old Testament). No, I don't have to use herion to know it's bad. I learned that it was bad through reading and gathering info on the subject. Just as I like to get the most info on any subject that I want to know about so I can make an informed choice. If I know where some of these pagan's traditions come from I can explain If the subject ever comes up. Knowledge is a powerfull tool to have.
Darren
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