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I kinda wish part 2 of the Lake of Fire series was the first part

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Paul:
NOTE: I know if I seriously disagree with Ray about something, I should contact him directly, but I'd like to hear what other people think about my thoughts. I'm not trying to start a debate; and I plan to contact Ray eventually.

I think it's such a better introduction. It actually makes you think! Read it!

http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html

I think the primary reason Ray gets so many rebukes is because part one is basically a long essay on the fact that the Bible is symbolic. That's the oldest argument: the Bible's symbolic. The Bible's not meant to be taken literally. Ray's in company with all the alternative doctrines and new agers with this premise. An exposé on how symbolic the Bible is is good for an open-minded audience, but not for Christians who have a rock solid belief in neverending punishment. Part 1 would be good later on in the series. Part 2 argues UR with the message of the Bible; part 1 just declares the Bible's symbolic.

Secondly, what about informing readers that the primary reason for the Christian Hell is corrupt Bible translations? How far do you need to get in the Lake of Fire series to read about that? Ray hints at it, in part 1, with one sentence: But when we remove a few unscriptural assumptions, a few pagan traditions, and a couple of totally mistranslated words, words that never appear in the Greek manuscripts, we will discover an even more profound love that God has for His creatures, rather than some monstrous god of eternal hatred which has been concocted by theologians and promulgated through bad translations for centuries.

The aion mistranslation is essential, first priority to understanding the Bible. It removes the concept of everlasting punishment, but more revelatory is that it reveals that John 3:16, the heart of Christendom's doctrine, means something completely different. A proper translation of John 3:16 is the beginning of the entire Universal Reconciliation doctrine unfolding. What I'm saying is how can Ray leave Christians under the impression that only some will be saved (John 3:16 in any conventional Bible translation); and that some people will be punished forever (i.e. Mat. 25:46 in any conventional Bible translation.) Ray needs to expound on the translation issue from the get go! He actually does this in an e-mail response:

http://bible-truths.com/email18.htm

Now that's a little more like it! How can a Christian take the Lake of Fire series seriously when their Bible contradicts it? I've seen loads of rebukes to Universal reconciliation (primarily on YouTube videos) and guess what? Every single rebuke focuses on verses like Mat. 25:46 that teach everlasting punsihment in conventional translations. Christians stop reading the lake of Fire series before he expounds on aion. Most probably don't even get to part 2, which, as I said, is a much better introduction.

Dennis Vogel:
Those who are interested (like you Paul) will read more than one article and they will figure it out.

But most of all, if God is opening their hearts they will read and see.

It doesn't matter what order you present something to the blind, they will never see it.

Dennis

mharrell08:
Paul,

Why do you always have a problem with the way Ray teaches? That may seem direct, but I am a direct kind of guy.

Almost every post you start, it is about a problem with the way Ray presents a different aspect of his teaching. You say you know that you are supposed to contact Ray about his writings, but then you continue to post these threads. You state that you are not trying to start a debate, but almost all of your threads start off debating Ray's method of teaching.

You even had the gall to post your excitement in another thread regarding Ray changing a paper excerpt that is on a hidden webpage. The paper doesn't even have a link on the main BT webpage, but you wanted to make a huge deal out of it. All of these questionable threads you start have no spiritual edification in them at all. Just read your own words on this very thread...no scriptures used to validate your point about how Ray can improve his teachings just a bunch of your opinion.

And that is what all your threads are really about....how you believe Ray's teachings are flawed and can be improved. And you have the nerve to try to get BT forum members to jump on your bandwagon. If you didn't believe they were flawed, you wouldn't keep trying to post threads nit-picking Ray's writing.

No man (including Ray) is perfect, but you really need to take some time and reflect on what your real motivation is with all these threads you start. Honestly it seems to be jealousy as you always insist on possessing the better teaching method. If this hurts your feelings, I'm sorry but maybe this will change your way of thinking and doing the things you have been doing on this forum.


Hope this helps,

Marques

Jackie Lee:
I really appreciate Ray's papers the order it is written doesn't matter to me.
 I am still learning, something I never seemed to do before I was directed to his writtings.
It is a slow process for me but so far I can't say I have found any errors.
I have not believed in an eternal hell and Ray helped verify this.

KristaD:
I see what you mean Paul but I think this goes along with Darren asking if more people would come if the truth was being taught by all the preachers. It all boils down to whether or not God is opening their eyes to see it. Logically speaking your observation makes a lot of sense but God had him write it in that order for a reason, maybe the reason was so that most wouldn't see ?? I like that you question things ;).

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