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winner08

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Father, Abraham Luke 16:24
« on: August 14, 2008, 03:31:39 AM »

Hello everybody, I have a question maby y'all can help me with. In Luke 16:26 is a verse where the rich man cries out to  Abraham, "Father, Abraham have mercy on me. Why is he calling out Father, Abraham? Is Father not God? Father Abraham.

                                                              Thanks,

                                                            Darren
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Brian

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Re: Father, Abraham Luke 16:24
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 03:46:36 AM »

The Jews considered it a unique or exceptional honor that Abraham was their ďfatherĒ - that is, that they were ďdescendantsĒ from him. His trust was in his fleshly descent. He said, "We have Abraham to our father."  (cf Mat 3:9)

Does this answer the Question  ???
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winner08

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Re: Father, Abraham Luke 16:24
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 04:09:18 AM »

It sure does Brain, Thanks.

                               Darren
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mharrell08

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Re: Father, Abraham Luke 16:24
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 11:17:53 AM »

Hello Darren,

To add on to what Brian stated, here is an excerpt from the paper Ray wrote explaining the Lazarus & the Rich Man parable [http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html]:


THE RICH MAN IDENTIFIED

There is only one man who Scripturally fits all the descriptions of the "rich man" in this parable. Only one person who "personifies" all of the symbols and identifying clues given of this rich man. And that man is:

"JUDAH !"

But not just Judah as an historical individual, but collectively. All Israel under the headship of Judah, the Jews. And the Jews were "rich."

Beginning back in Gen. 15:14 God prophesied that Abrahamís descendants were to be very rich. "And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance."

"Therefore the Lord stablished the kingdom in his hand and all Judah brought to Jehoshaphat presents; and he had riches and honour in abundance" (II Chron. 17:5)

"...and he built in Judah castles, and cities of store" (Ver. 12)

Jerusalem had a standing army of 860,000 men! (II Chron. 17:13-18). And that didnít even include the fortified cities in Judah. (Ver. 19)

Hezekiah (King of Judah):

"...had exceeding much riches and honour; and he made himself treasures for silver, and for gold, and for precious stones...all manner of pleasant jewels; storehouses also for the increase of corn, and wine, and oil, and stalls for all manner of beasts ... he provided him cities, possessions of flocks and herds in abundance; for God had given him substance very much" (II Ch 32:27-29.

So yes, Judah was rich. And who to this day are universally known for having money and being successful in the financial world? The Jews. However, these were just some of Judahís material possessions. Judah was rich in another way--very rich. Judah possessed something far more valuable than all of these possessions. God bestowed on Judah a treasure greater than any other on the face of the earth, in the history of the world.

"What, then is the prerogative of the Jew, or what the benefit of circumcision? Much in every manner... For first, indeed, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God" (Rom. 3:1-2).

Prerogative is translated from [Gk. perissoní EXCESS, SUPERABUNDANTLY] Who has a diamond collection, an art collection, a string of corporations, or fifty Swiss Bank accounts that could begin to approach the value of the oracles of God?

"For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things..." (Deu. 4:7).

"He sheweth His word unto Jacob, his statutes and His judgment unto Israel" (Psa. 147:19)

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews" (Jn 4:22)

So not only was Judah rich materially, but God bestowed on Judah His very word, and through Judah the very salvation of the world. Who but Judah possessed such wealth?

"...and he dressed in purple..."

Imagine Christ asking His disciples: "Oh, by the way, would you fellows be interested in knowing what color clothing this Rich man was wearing just before he went to Hell?" Ridiculous nonsense!

But what is nonsense in the literal is the symbolic sign of this manís real identity!

Purple is: "A color used in garments of a bluish red, by a dye obtained from a shell fish, purpura. It denotes rank of royalty" (Greek-English Keyword Concordance p. 236).

Purple was worn by Kings (Judges 8:26). Even the Caesars of Rome wore Purple as a symbol of their royalty.

And who was to carry the royal line in Israel?... Judah.

"The scepter [a symbol of rulership and power] shall not depart from Judah, now a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come..." (Gen. 49:10).

David was of the Tribe of Judah and was anointed King of Judah. Our Lord was of the line of Judah (Mat. 1:2), and will be not only King of Judah, but King of Kings over all the world.

During our Lordís ministry, Judea was under Roman rule, however, there were still rulers in Judea--The Jews. There were Scribes, Pharisees, and Priests. Jesus said they had power and authority from God. "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Mosesí seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do..." (Mat. 23:2-3).

God has always elevated Judah above the other Tribes.

In I Chron. 2:1-3 we read:

"These are the sons of Israel; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun, Dan, Joseph, and Benjamin, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. The sons of Judah;..."

Notice Judah was the third born to Israel [Jacob] and is listed third, but when God gives their childrenís names He starts first with Judah.

To show Judahís dominance in Rulership, when the Tribes of Israel are enumerated in Revelation 7:4, Judah is put first at the head of the list. He was not, however, the firstborn!

"...and cambric (fine linen)..."

The Rich man didnít just dress in "Purple," but "Purple and Cambric." He wore both. Cambric or Fine Linen is symbolic of the clothing that the priests wore (Ex. 28:5, 25:4). And of the interior decorations of the Tabernacle itself (Ex. 26:1).

Our Lord would not have told us that the Rich man wore these two specific types of garments except that they have great symbolic value in identifying who this man personifies.

But if "Purple" symbolizes "Royalty" and "Fine Linen" symbolizes "Priesthood," how can the same man wear both? Only our Lord is both, King and Priest.

Remember, the Levites and the priests were loyal to Judah through their long history.

When they got the opportunity, they went with Ezra and Nehemiah back to Jerusalem--back to Judah. They were part of Judah. They were called Jews. Only one, had both the Scepter and the Priesthood: Judah.

Notice this Scripture carefully:

"Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites ... God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem." (Ezra 1:3).

There it is! Judah had both the royalty and the priesthood. And all these leaders of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, became who were known in Christís time as "the Jews." And thatís why, although the Apostle Paul was of the Tribe of Benjamin, nonetheless, he said of himself, that he was "a Jew."

In Judah were both the Royal Scepter (purple) and the Priesthood (fine linen). And thatís the reason Christ took the time to tell us what the Rich man was wearing! And no other personality in Scripture has both these designations along with all the other identifying features attributed to the Rich man!

Father Abraham "...Child, be reminded..."

Judah could therefore legitimately call Abraham, "Father." Abraham was Judahís Great Grandfather. Abraham could legitimately call the Rich man, "Child." Judah was Abrahamís Great Grandchild.


"They have Moses and the Prophets..."

The Kingdom of Judah did have "Moses and the Prophets." They were the protectors and scribes of those very documents till the time of our Lordís ministry, when Jesus said that they "sit in Mosesí seat." Judah was the very depository for The Law (Moses), The Prophets, and the Writings. Remember the Oracles were given to the Jews (Rom. 3:1-2).

The Rich man said: "I have five brothers..."

Thereís a rule of Scripture study that is very sound, and I believe is applicable here. It goes like this: "Literal where and when possible." Most of this parable cannot be taken literally. Why? Because for one, it often contradicts the laws of science and physics. And two, it would contradict hundreds of other plain verses of Scripture. Itís the "parable" that cannot be taken literally. That does not mean that certain facts contained "in" the parable are not "literal." Abraham is, undoubtedly, "literally" Abraham. Moses and the prophets are, undoubtedly, "literally" Moses and the prophets. They obviously represent themselves, not someone else.

With that in mind, who was it who had literally five brothers? Not that these "five brothers" cannot represent something else in the Scriptures. For example, there were five spheres where there were "Jews" who heard Christ proclaimed after His resurrection:

Jerusalem

Judea

Samaria

The "limits of the land"

Those Jews dispersed "among the nations."

At first glance, you might think Judah canít be this "Rich man." Didnít Judah have eleven brothers? Yes and No. True, there were twelve sons of Israel, one of which was Judah, but not all by the same mother.

Judahís Mother, Leah, had

Reuben

Simeon

Levi

Issachar

Zebulun

Judah makes six (Gen. 29:31-35, 30:18-19).

So who had five brothers? Judah.

That Judah (the Jews), is here personified in this Rich man, there can be little doubt!



Hope this helps,

Marques
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