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What is required of a disciple?
Daniel:
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--- Quote ---I'm so sorry if you are taking my responses as being AT YOU rather then WITH YOU.
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I'll take you at your word and your forgiven. :D
Please forgive me for taking it that way.
Love...Steve
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Yes please reread the post Steve. YOU are not being adressed but scripture is being discussed by comparison WITH YOU. I was not even talking about you. Where could you have ever drawn that to that conclusion?
Your forgiven for taking scripture as being directed at you verses being discussed with you.
My words were never used or directed at you anywhere. If I'm missing something in any accusation in the future please copy paste these to my attention and ask rather then accuse. You dont have to take my word for anything, words are a dime a dozen, you can reread and see for yourself. I never adressed YOU anywhere except to discuss your thread.
What you thought I was doing to you, you just did to me in that regard. No hard feeelings, I just hope if we ever bump path again speeaking of scriptures you won't find yourself as the center of conversations not about you, ok?
Daniel
Daniel:
--- Quote from: orion77 ---ALL are put through the lake of fire. The lake of fire is Gods consuming Spirit. Few in this life, most at the great White Throne Judgment. Nonetheless we all are put through the fire, admit it or not. Noone can escape the judgment of God.
When we go through this, should we call our brothers and sisters a fool or even worse a heretic? Honestly, can a sinner judge another sinner? Or is this something left to the Righteous Judge, until we know in full, since now we know only in part?
Personally, I have Jesus Spirit in me, this is not known out of conjecture, but through true experiences. There is no doubt within myself at all. I thank the Lord for giving me that. He gave me strong faith, that is past what can be seen or even sensed in my mind. This is why I speak of the love of God often and to be honest, not often enough.
I cannot help if some people can not understand that, but just because they cannot understand it, will not deny the fact that God is all about love, mercy and forgiveness. Especially seeing that we believe that all will be saved in the longrun.
His strong love brings me through the fire of His Spirit with chastisement, puts me through persecutions, that shows me through experience and not only the reading of His word, how to and not to treat my fellow brethren and sisters.
This is what is meant to be careful, we might be speaking to angels (messengers) unaware. Gods true people do not put all their cards on the table. They test those spirits and are careful not to cast their pearl before swine. We must speak in brotherly love and not to show two pair, when the one you accuse, might be holding a full house.
God bless,
Gary
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Praise God!
That was beautifully put Gary
Daniel
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: orion77 ---ALL are put through the lake of fire. The lake of fire is Gods consuming Spirit. Few in this life, most at the great White Throne Judgment. Nonetheless we all are put through the fire, admit it or not. Noone can escape the judgment of God.
When we go through this, should we call our brothers and sisters a fool or even worse a heretic? Honestly, can a sinner judge another sinner? Or is this something left to the Righteous Judge, until we know in full, since now we know only in part?
Personally, I have Jesus Spirit in me, this is not known out of conjecture, but through true experiences. There is no doubt within myself at all. I thank the Lord for giving me that. He gave me strong faith, that is past what can be seen or even sensed in my mind. This is why I speak of the love of God often and to be honest, not often enough.
I cannot help if some people can not understand that, but just because they cannot understand it, will not deny the fact that God is all about love, mercy and forgiveness. Especially seeing that we believe that all will be saved in the longrun.
His strong love brings me through the fire of His Spirit with chastisement, puts me through persecutions, that shows me through experience and not only the reading of His word, how to and not to treat my fellow brethren and sisters.
This is what is meant to be careful, we might be speaking to angels (messengers) unaware. Gods true people do not put all their cards on the table. They test those spirits and are careful not to cast their pearl before swine. We must speak in brotherly love and not to show two pair, when the one you accuse, might be holding a full house.
God bless,
Gary
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Amen, Gary!
I have written three different replies to this thread and could not bring myself to hit SEND, and the longer I sat trying to decide the LONGER the post became....
I hesitate to say ANYTHING having just come back to the board so recently... especially when this was the very thing that caused me to leave the forum in the first place... and one I have already been so outspoken about in the past. :?
I was biting my tongue and feeling the pain of it.... :P
But I am blessed by this post and the love that you continue to exhibit here and encourage in others. =D>
Being able to see ONE truth or TEN truths or ONE HUNDRED truths in no 'guarantee' that we are not deceived in some other area....
Even Mike has had to repent of teaching heresy. :shock:
We know NOTHING until God reveals it to us... and we can try the spirit and still come the 'wrong' conclusion..... we can harbor some 'idol of the heart' or some 'heresy' of our own and not even be aware of it.
But God willing we WILL BE made aware of it and have it/them BURNED OUT OF US... in His time.
In the meantime... I, like you, try to err on the side of love and forgiveness and patience and long-suffering.... I thought of the entertaining angels unaware verse as well.... along with these:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.[/list:u]
And before I open my mouth, I try to always remember this:
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.[/list:u]
Out of our OWN MOUTH we will be judged.... :shock:
Besides.... we are not to judge one another.... but....
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.[/list:u]
OK... I keep ADDING here, too..... :oops:
:-# <--- still not very good at 'that' 8-[
SteveB:
--- Quote ---I was not even talking about you. Where could you have ever drawn that to that conclusion?
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I did reread and I'll take you at your word. Love...Steve
SteveB:
--- Quote ---Even Mike has had to repent of teaching heresy.
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--- Quote ---Out of our OWN MOUTH we will be judged....
Besides.... we are not to judge one another.... but....
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1Co 4:5 Therefore5620 judge2919 nothing5100, 3361 before4253 the time,2540 until2193, 302 the3588 Lord2962 come,2064 who3739 both2532 will bring to light5461 the3588 hidden things2927 of darkness,4655 and2532 will make manifest5319 the3588 counsels1012 of the3588 hearts:2588 and2532 then5119 shall every man1538 have1096 praise1868 of575 God.2316
1Co 5:12 For1063 what have I to do5101, 3427 to judge2919 them also that are without?1854, 2532 do not3780 ye5210 judge2919 them that are within?2080
1Co 6:2 Do ye not3756 know1492 that3754 the3588 saints40 shall judge2919 the3588 world?2889 and2532 if1487 the3588 world2889 shall be judged2919 by1722 you,5213 are2075 ye unworthy370 to judge the smallest matters?2922, 1646
1Co 6:3 Know1492 ye not3756 that3754 we shall judge2919 angels?32 how much more3386 things that pertain to this life?982
1Co 6:4 If1437 then3767 ye(3303) have2192 judgments2922 of things pertaining to this life,982 set2523 them5128 to judge who are least esteemed1848 in1722 the3588 church.1577
1Co 6:5 I speak3004 to4314 your5213 shame.1791 Is it so,3779 that there is2076 not3756 a wise man4680 among1722 you?5213 no, not3761 one1520 that3739 shall be able1410 to judge1252 between303, 3319 his848 brethren?80
1Co 10:15 I speak3004 as5613 to wise men;5429 judge2919 ye5210 what3739 I say.5346
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