> General Discussions
feed back
winner08:
Ray has a great paper on death on the home page. I just read it. It helps explains alot on how not everyone will taste death. One moment you will in the hear and now and the next moment you will be in the hear in now but it will be ;at the resurrection. You will not have a thought that you died. You might remember that you were dying but at the moment you die you wont know that you died. Then bam! your alive at the resurrection. One moment here, one moment theres. Everybody should read Ray's paper on death. Like all his papers, they are great.
Darren
AK4:
Can you imagine what the suicider will think....
"What? what? Didnt i just...? But?... How? Is this a dream? I know for sure i jumped? Lol.
This brings up something that was being taught by Ron Weinland (the false prophet). He said that when people who died they will arise in the resurrection where it was like a split second difference. i.e. that scenario i just put. And others will be resurrected already at the age of 33 in perfect bodies. What a crock as Ray would put it. Where's his scriptural backing on this.
But i have a question. How will they that arise in the second resurrection be? An infant again to grow up and learn His ways or at a certain age or where they left off/died in their first life?
Just curious
KristaD:
I think since age is relative to our lives now earth it really has no bearing in the spiritual world, so in the resurrection there would be no age. JMO
Dave in Tenn:
Ray said in one of the audios that he believes even the Elect coming up in the first resurrection will be as babies, speaking spiritually. The rest of it 'doth not yet appear'. :)
Kat:
Hi Anthony,
--- Quote ---But i have a question. How will they that arise in the second resurrection be? An infant again to grow up and learn His ways or at a certain age or where they left off/died in their first life?
--- End quote ---
The 'many' raised in the resurrection of the dead/second death, will be raised in physical bodies. Ray says babies will be raised still as babies. But adults... well all it says is they will stand (Rev. 20:12). Then they will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is where they go through a physical life and the experiences to learn righteousness (Isa. 26:9). There will be plenty of people to raise the babies, somehow.
Here is where Ray mentions the babies in the resurrection of the dead.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm -------------------
"And as it is appointed unto men [Gk: 'anthropose'--human, mankind] once to die, but after this the judgment"
This Scripture is all-encompassing, universal, and applies to every human who has ever lived. All humanity must die once, and after that death, they must be judged. There are no exceptions, not even for mentally challenged, teens, youngsters and even infants. (Do sound-minded Christians really believe that when babies die they go to heaven and therefore, there will be millions of eternal babies [in diapers?] living in heaven for all eternity AS BABIES?) God has a way to deal with babies and infants in the Day of Judgment that will be quite equitable -- they will grow up to be adults.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Here is what Ray said about being born at the first resurrection.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.15.html -----
God has got a master plan. The more I think about it… When we are born, fully born into the family of God, it's like when a child is actually born. We know what it’s like when a child is begotten, because after a few weeks or a month, the mother realizes something is going on. She say, 'I think I’m pregnant.’ Then there is a certain period it grows, for 9 months and the baby is born. But when the baby is born, is it mature?
So I’ve been looking at that the last few years. I don’t believe when we are born into the family of God we will be just like God. I don’t believe that. I don’t believe we are going to take that quantum leap in one flash, at the last trump. Boom and we will be patting out Father on the back and saying, ‘good to see ya Dad.’ I don’t think it’s going to be like that at all. I think then (when we are born into the family of God) we’re on the outside of the womb, so to speak. We’ll be on the outside of the spiritual womb and it’s going to be a whole new world.
I think about as much as a fetus sees in the mother’s womb, that’s what we see right now. When we are born, we are going to come out of this and we are going to see a whole lot more. Then we are going to start to grown up. But that’s just what I think.
-----------------------------------------------------------
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version