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Linny:
Thank you guys for all of your great comments. Something else I saw today made me question another longstanding belief that I hadn't thought of in a long time. I was wondering if any of you might have some insight for me.

I was reading on another thread in Rev. 20. I'll try to make sense of my question.  ::)
It is talking about the dead standing before the great white throne of judgement. (A point the church obviously ignores when they believe we are already in "heaven" upon dying.) And it says two books are opened and the dead are judged out of the books according to their works.

It occurred to me that the church teaches that Christians won't be judged because Jesus' blood makes us white as snow and our sins will not count against us. Basically that the church is free of judgement. Am I wrong or is this the jest of their teachings?

So in this line of my logic, I then see that if we believe the Scriptures, then it shows that there are none saved by "giving their hearts to Jesus" while still alive but that ALL will be judged according to their works. Those who lived as the chosen will be with Him a thousand years and the rest will go into the Lake of Fire to be refined.

Am I missing something or am I still pulling out of my quite lengthy Babylonian past.  :-[
Hopefully, this made some sense to someone besides myself. ???

Blessings, Lin

Dave in Tenn:
"Am I missing something or am I still pulling out of my quite lengthy Babylonian past?"

Probably some of both, Linny.  There are 101 different 'theologies' built around Revelations.  Most all of them because they take all these symbols literally.  Of course, nobody really understands any of them (since they don't make any sense) so there are Two Billion and One misunderstandings.  Ray teaches (because John clearly STATES) that this revelation is symbolic.

Clear from Ray's teaching are two things.  Our sins are forgiven, but our carnality has to be removed (and that includes the sinning we still do).  We have to die to this flesh.  When and how that happens depends on the pre-ordination of God.  Beyond that, you surely know more than I do.   

Linny:
Thanks Dave. I do understand the symbolism aspect however. I know that there are not literal books to be opened.
I spent a year in Revelation a few years back and I came to conclusions that did not fit into any of the mainstream church doctrines. I did find a ministry that believed as I did however. Now I know that with my newfound knowledge, I must dig in again to Revelation to tweak what I may have gotten completely wrong.
I just haven't had enough nudging to do so yet.
I have so much still to unlearn!  :(

Kat:

Hi Lin,

1Peter 4:17  For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

For the Elect few their judgment is now in this life.  This is what Christ said about judging the world at this time.

John 12:47  And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

Those that are not of the Elect wait judgment until Christ returns.

Rev 19:11  Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

Rev 14:1  Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.

v. 7  saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."

Hope this helps  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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