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Lost verse
fstamp:
In one of Ray's articles he quotes a verse from scripture that puts to rest the whole concept of internal torment in hell, but I cannot find it. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Fstamp
AK4:
There's plenty heres one
Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
If hades is hell and death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire and the lake of fire is the second death and ....
1Co 15:26 - Show Context
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
then they have nothing to stand on when it comes to eternal torment
Hope this helps
Anthony
musicman:
Yeah, I think I remember.
It's God . . . . .. . .
No, wait a minute.
God is . . . la. . . . . . . .
No, that's not it.
God is la lo. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Oh right.
God is love!!!
AK4:
Also if they want to say that gehenna is hell too, Which then theyll probably say "well it says that it says everlasting hell fire".
You got 3 routes you can go-- either prove everlasting is aionis and it means age lasting(the hardest way). Ask them does God lie and is all scripture by divine inspiration (harder way) or stay with the subject (the easiest way)---hell, no matter what word you want to translate it from, hades or gehenna, they will still have to come back to your original statement....
Rev 14 Then death and Hades(hell/gehenna) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Then from there youll probably have to prove everlasting is aionis. But i say stick with that and then you control the conversation by going into Does God lie and verses like 1 Tim 2:4 and 1 Tim 4:10.
Read what Ray put in Foundational Truths and if you apply that then you cant be cornered. CONTROL THE CONVERSATION. That is the key.
Hope this helps,
Anthony
AK4:
Also if they want to say that gehenna is hell too, Which then theyll probably say "well it says that it says everlasting hell fire".
You got 3 routes you can go-- either prove everlasting is aionis and it means age lasting(the hardest way). Ask them does God lie and is all scripture by divine inspiration (harder way) or stay with the subject (the easiest way)---hell, no matter what word you want to translate it from, hades or gehenna, they will still have to come back to your original statement....
Rev 14 Then death and Hades(hell/gehenna) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
If hades is hell/gehenna and death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire and the lake of fire is the second death and ....
1Co 15:26 - Show Context
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
---oops i forgot this part in the last post
then they have nothing to stand on when it comes to eternal torment or anything that is associated with the "christain hell".
Then from there youll probably have to prove everlasting is aionis. But i say stick with the hell issue and then you control the conversation by going into Does God lie and verses like 1 Tim 2:4 and 1 Tim 4:10.
Read what Ray put in Foundational Truths and if you apply that then you cant be cornered. CONTROL THE CONVERSATION. That is the key.
Hope this helps,
Anthony
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