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cjwood:
--- Quote from: musicman on August 22, 2008, 08:01:24 PM ---Yeah, I think I remember.
It's God . . . . .. . .
No, wait a minute.
God is . . . la. . . . . . . .
No, that's not it.
God is la lo. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Oh right.
God is love!!!
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i truly enjoy your sense of humor musicman :D. you always can make me laugh. there are indeed so many scriptures that shut down the whole eternal torment yadayada, but the shortest most simple verse that "God is love" speaks volumes, if only the church had ears to hear.
claudia
Heidi:
--- Quote from: cjwood on August 22, 2008, 10:21:14 PM ---..... but the shortest most simple verse that "God is love" speaks volumes, if only the church had ears to hear.
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Amen to that!
Heidi
PS I also enjoy your sense of humor musicman ;D
Samson:
--- Quote from: fstamp on August 22, 2008, 06:25:22 PM ---In one of Ray's articles he quotes a verse from scripture that puts to rest the whole concept of internal torment in hell, but I cannot find it. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Fstamp
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Hi Foodstamp,
Internal Torment, We all receive internal torment, ;D ;D ;D; just messing with you Fstamp. Hopefully I won't receive any internal torment at work today.
On a more serious note, I was reading Ray's article: Is God a Trinity or an expanding family last night at work. He made a point that whenever the Churches or someone starts with a Word or Phrase that isn't even in the Bible, like Trinity or Eternal Torment, they have to create a Theory or Premise about that word in order to try and prove it. The word Torment isn't the same as Torture and I never read a phrase that Say's Eternal Torment in the Bible. The point is that whenever these Bible Scholars try to create a Doctrine based on a phrase or Word that isn't even in the Bible in the first place, they come up with definitions that include high sounding gobbledygook to explain their Doctrines, like some of there definitions of The Trinity.
Just something to ponder about.
Kind Regards, Samson.
David:
1 Timothy 4:10 is one that Ray uses a lot.
There's very little the hell fire preacher can do with that scripture other than contradict it or ignore it.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
The last part of the sentence bookends this scripture as tight as you can get, because of "specially of those that believe", therefore it leaves no one out.
Read with the preceding verse and verse 11 it not only proves God will save ALL of mankind, but it makes it a flat out commandment that people MUST accept this verse AND teach it.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.
I've had Christians that would try to reason these verses away tell mew that verse 11 precedes verse 12 and on, and has nothing to do with verse 9 and 10. It is of course a lie. Every one of the reference Bibles I have has verse numbers in bold print where a new subject is started in a chapter. Guess what? They all have verse 12 in bold print. Verse 11 footnotes and bookends its previous verses. We are to command and teach that God is the savior of all men, especially those that believe.
David
AK4:
David,
That is some keen observance their buddy! Its a commandment that we teach this also. Good eye.
Anthony
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