Hi to everyone on this thread.
God does punish those he consider as sons and daughters!! just wanted to add my 5c.
And their is one who does torture and torment he is the devil and his demons!
psalm 23 thou i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.....where on earth is that....on earth??
it's not in heaven...it aint under the earth...it's here it's on the earth...shadow of death....what was
the result of Sin..Death...not the (physical) but the (spiritual death) and yet death and hades follow
close behind it uh...thats why alot of people are plagued with diseases and sickness...those who have
not or don't know jesus or recieve him...torments of all kinds of diseases..sicknesses....fear....... I read
how jesus healed or saved those who were demon possesed, with a word or prayer...matt 4:23-24;
I mean well what a reality check...and these demons walk the earth...no they don't fly or float or drift
they walk...jesus said they WALK...looking for rest...rest where?...oh wel' my guess is if the shoe fits
human bodies...ray says in one of his papers that even literal fire that burns the human flesh for even
a few seconds or minutes is agony......imagine how those who are plagued with diseases and sickness
or demon possesed are tormented or tortured are experiencing something like that right now while they
are physically alive yet spiritually dead..........to those it must feel like forever or eternal and thats how
it is for the unsaved and unbelievers...i really don't know how it is that people don't know about God
when he said that i will pour out my spirit on all flesh...i think that even half the inhabitance of the whole
world would have seen the movie passion of the christ...mel gibbsons being the director of that movie.
And if we have a spiritual body when raised at the ressurection how is it we won't feel anything, did not
jesus when he rose to life...rose up in a flesh body....did he not sit with his disciples to eat and drink
after his ressurection...did he not say, touch my hands a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see
I do..(Luke 24:37-43). (Acts 1:4)
And to eat with them, would he not need the sence of taste..sence of hearing..feel..when he said to his
disciples touch me put your hands here in my side..and in the holes of my hands....did he not rise up in
the clouds in that flesh body and sit down at the right hand of God the father....and are we not to fear
God who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire the second death...how is this second death
to be compared to a walk in the park..God our all consuming Holy fire... is this holy too! sulfur and brimstone
some how, it don't sound like to me a swim in a lake...especially if we possess all 5 sences...at the ressurection
are we not going to be just as he is and was raised up in a flesh body like his...Mmmm something to think about.
and why are we to snatch others from the fire...paths of distruction...jude 23....thats my 5c
peace mercy and grace.
trish.