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Rev 20:5
WhoAmI:
I have a hard time anymore thinking we are going to have a perfect "Bible." Actually I don't think it can be in the sense that once human eyes see the words and the mind gets a hold of it, then it is all over the place no matter how perfectly written. It has to be the "the words are spirit" because typed or written words just are not going to cut it. I know people who try to balance the two, they rely on the spirit and then back it up with the word etc. But no one yet has convinced me of any book doing the job. I can understand books can be a tool to an end but they often times become a god to many people. I am sure many people with less books and less information have known much more than those who have book shelves loaded with all sorts of informational books etc. I actually now see how many non Christians have less polluted minds on certain subjects than Christians. One thing is for sure, no matter how much you think you know, your still most likely in error in comparison to the real truth. Thankfully I don't have the utmost urgency to be correct or else I'm doomed idea going on anymore. More and more I use love as a guiding post. Just the other day I was thinking how I use to be like a survivalist who was trying to figure out just how to survive. For many it is a set or maybe just one or whatever type arrangements they think must be done to "survive." What I mean is salvation to many is just a type of survival. You got to survive "hell" so you learn the magic sinner's prayer to rescue you from your cosmic torturer god. Whew...good thing I learned the secret pass words and now I don't have to burn for eternity is really what people do. They then try to say it is "love." They love God they say! Really? I just want to operate out of love, and I know I am far from knowing much about this love. But I am sure knowing a prefect translation or knowing the original words of a written book is a lot like just knowing a ten second sinners prayer in the end. I don't even think words can come close to what we are really after.
winner08:
I have been trying to read the sinaiticus but I can't find the english version. I enjoy reading these old texts but i can hardly find them in english I also like to know what the original scripts say. Just how much are we missing in these add ons and man;s embellishments? I for one never knew about these add ons. Now If I really didn't know, someone who's been searching (still am) for the truth, how many more don't have any idea about this. Who like me didn't know about these add ons?
Darren
Falgn0n:
Hi Darren
I came across this translation of Revelation, done directly from the Sinaiticus:
http://www.revelation-today.com/sinaitic.htm
Falgn0n
AK4:
--- Quote ---I have been trying to read the sinaiticus but I can't find the english version. I enjoy reading these old texts but i can hardly find them in english I also like to know what the original scripts say. Just how much are we missing in these add ons and man;s embellishments? I for one never knew about these add ons. Now If I really didn't know, someone who's been searching (still am) for the truth, how many more don't have any idea about this. Who like me didn't know about these add ons?
Darren
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Hi all,
try this link Darren http://www.sinaiticus.com/. This is the one i go to. It shocked me when i seen how big that list of add ons and omissions was, AND that was only showing the NT! I wonder how it is for the OT.
Lately ive been trying to understand as much as i can about the resurrection. If there 2 or 1, or are all resurrected but "sorted" out (like the parable of the good fish and bad fish). That verse Rev 20:5 was a big wrench in my understanding. Think how many wrenches to understanding these add ons and omissions are to many people. The main ones that comes to mind is the verses that the catholic church added to make the trinity doctrine.
In Jesus,
Anthony
AK4:
This has got me trying to do a study on the resurrections. Is it one or two? It specifically say "this is the first resurrection", but doesnt really say there is a second. Theres the Great White Throne Judgement, but this mentioned after the devil is loosed for a season. Is he out decieving the elect? I dont think so. So he has to be decieving someone. This has to be those who didnt make it in the first/former/chief/principal resurrection. In this way they will be going through the LOF.
Could this be saying there is only one resurrection? There is the resurrection of the BOTH, the just and unjust.
Ac 24:15 - Show Context
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
and you know the one in Daniel--age abiding life, age abiding contempt.
Daniel 12 12:2
`And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches -- to abhorrence age-during. (YLT)
Look at the parables. Theres a "sorting" of people, good and bad in a resurrection. Am i seeing something or not?
Arent the elect changed and therefore we will have bodies where we will be ruling with Christ, ministering to the people but wont be seen by them, helping to heal the nations?
Im having trouble with this because if there is only one resurrection where the elect are given age abiding life/immortality what are the others given. It aint immortality yet. But if there is two you have the problem i stated at first.
Am i on the right tract? Any insights are more than welcomed
In Jesus,
Anthony
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