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Mark 16:9-20
carol v:
Just another viewpoint to add to some already great posts -- and I agree that this verse in Luke, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do", and the story of the woman at the well were both shockers to me.
While the Luke verse certainly sounds like something we think Christ would say, I think if we look at it closely we would find that it actually contradicts scripture.
Here is one thing that Christ said about those same people (about ourselves, me):
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
We must admit our blindness, empty ourselves, come into complete humility, recognize our total dependence and need for God, and so on -- because until we do these things "our sin remaineth."
We know that all of these men, indeed all of us, have the mark of the beast and that mark cannot be overcome simply by God's forgiveness. It must be fought, battled, burned, destroyed and many other verbs to be purified before it can fully "see" the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
The Luke verse, athough beautifully written, is basically a shortened version of the sinner's prayer -- kind of like trying to get off the hook with a judge without the jail time -- and that's where I think the spurious author's motives lie.
Simply put -- scripture teaches repentance as a necessary part of forgiveness.
Just my humble opinion :)
Richard D:
Hello and God bless all, Winner 08, I’m sure I’m out of my league here. I have learned many things from Ray’s writings in such a short time but if its alright to give my opinion and that’s all it is, I have no credentials and I’m not a teacher but after reading about what you had said about Mark 16; 9-20 not being in the original writings, I thought to myself maybe Jesus did not say forgive them they know not what they do but to me he said that with his life.
Deborah-Leigh:
We have to get back to basics.
God is creating us in His image to know good from evil.
We experience evil as that most necessary part of our process of becoming like God. It is all God's work and non of our own. It is all the faith of Christ who has overcome the world ahead of us and to whom we are to follow and will follow with the benevolence, plan and will of God. God will have His way and His way to to have children in His image. God will succeed.
As we come to understand we are the beast, we begin to walk into that very purpose foreknown by God that is written for each and every one of us. All will repent. All shall see the Beast. All shall learn that God is God.
This topic reminds me of how the phrase.... That God so loved the World.... is mistranslated. Just read Ray's teaching on love to see the hidden, concealed, disguised meaning in this most inappropriate representation of God....so loving the world! Huh! How can God so love the world when we are admonished that to love the world means that we have not the love of the Father in us?
Christiandom has much to answer for! Even that is in the Plan of God.
Arc
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