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Mark 16:9-20
winner08:
Heidi, not at all. I think your right on time. You have a very loving heart. That's a great trait to have.
Darren
winner08:
Yes Stevernator, I too think it is a treasured story. Speaking of women in the Bible, I also notice in Mark, well that was my topic Mark 16:9-20 the whole chapture is about Jesus seen alive at the tomb site by Mary M. and the aftermath of His visits. How important is these scriptures of Jesus life for us? If these events did not happpen then where does that leave us. The other three accounts are similar so maby this is not a big deal? Maby this is why they have four gospels instead of three. Sorry I fail to mention the part about women. In Mark when talking about there are two women in the mill or in the field and one is taken and the other is left. Well the word women is not in the original text. To me it looks like the writers that added to the scriptures are trying to make the story more interesting like the boat was already filling up, in the windstorm with Jesus. This too is not mention in the original text but after x-ing out these words and pharagraphs and read them over, the scripture is right to the point, short and sweet and very understandable. This is how I see it.
Darren
Darren
hillsbororiver:
Hi Darren,
This is a topic that comes up from time to time and to me it is a fascinating fulfilment of a couple of OT scriptures (there are more but these should make my point).
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
We are all familiar with the parables, even the concept that the entire bible is a parable, but what are the riddles?
There aren't many here that would argue that God is not sovereign over His creation, is He sovereign over His Word, the scriptures? Could it be that the additions, subtractions, misinterpretations, etc. are there to serve His purpose as well?
Consider;
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The key to understanding is not man's perception or hope of some "perfect" translation, the real key is spiritual discernment, only His Spirit will open up and increase our wisdom and knowledge.
If you read Matthew and Mark you will see not very much at all written about Christ interacting with His disciples after He is risen, contrast that with Luke and John who have much to say about what transpired after our Lord rose from the dead.
Is there perhaps a riddle in this? Also, when you consider that Luke wrote Acts and John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ (as well as 1John, 2John, 3John), they are 2 of the 3 most prolific writers of the New Testament. Interesting?
Anyway, my aim is not to teach anything or put forward my own beliefs why this might be so I only want to spur on everyone's own search for His wisdom through His Word.
Peace,
Joe
AK4:
Hi all,
I felt that way about Rev 20:5
Re 20:5 - Show Context
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Whats in parenthesis isnt in the codex either and it had me searching for is there one or two resurrections.
Joe you are so right because that riddle of (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) Doesnt fit the rest of scripture. I found in all the scriptures i was able to find that there is only one resurrection. I may be wrong though. Anyhow that was/is a great riddle to me. Im still trying to figure out what is meant then by-- This is the first resurrection. I have an idea, but i cant fully support it with scripture.
I think it makes the bible even more interesting when we search out those riddles and find the answers. Praise be to God
JeffH:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on September 09, 2008, 09:02:02 AM ---Hi Darren,
This is a topic that comes up from time to time and to me it is a fascinating fulfilment of a couple of OT scriptures (there are more but these should make my point).
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
We are all familiar with the parables, even the concept that the entire bible is a parable, but what are the riddles?
There aren't many here that would argue that God is not sovereign over His creation, is He sovereign over His Word, the scriptures? Could it be that the additions, subtractions, misinterpretations, etc. are there to serve His purpose as well?
Consider;
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The key to understanding is not man's perception or hope of some "perfect" translation, the real key is spiritual discernment, only His Spirit will open up and increase our wisdom and knowledge.
If you read Matthew and Mark you will see not very much at all written about Christ interacting with His disciples after He is risen, contrast that with Luke and John who have much to say about what transpired after our Lord rose from the dead.
Is there perhaps a riddle in this? Also, when you consider that Luke wrote Acts and John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ (as well as 1John, 2John, 3John), they are 2 of the 3 most prolific writers of the New Testament. Interesting?
Anyway, my aim is not to teach anything or put forward my own beliefs why this might be so I only want to spur on everyone's own search for His wisdom through His Word.
Peace,
Joe
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Joe,
I sent an email to Ray a short while back about this. It occurred to me that (and this is simplifying) Scripture can be read two ways - wrong or right - but either way it makes sense. All the things the church erroneously believes, the things I used to believe, make sense. The error in understanding is still reasonable until your eyes are opened. Once that happens, you can clearly see the difference.
While we're deceived, the things we read still flow and form a comprehensive picture of God and His creation. The Bible says "Lake of Fire" and there are so many other verses that support that, that it's fairly easy to go down that path. The error in our translations has to be supportable and it appears that our Creator made it so. The way Scripture was translated diverts from the truth, but seemingly, perfectly so.
If the KJV said that Moses was a bunny, it would never be taken seriously. The deception in the translations is subtle enough that when read without help from God, but rather assistance from well-meaning clergy or on our own, is still believable.
I think you're correct that the errors, subtractions, additions, etc. (I would say) are perfectly written and serve a very grand, intentional purpose.
What an awesome God we serve!!!!!!!!!!
I had a conversation with an atheist/scientist many years ago and at it's conclusion I realized that there's exactly as much evidence that God exists as there is that He doesn't. It's my impression that our universe is "comically" huge. It's so huge (or so configured) that we could never reach it's boundaries. Why would God create a universe that big? Nobody can answer that except our Creator, but I don't believe in coincidences. Everything created (I believe) is perfectly tuned.
I also had a conversation with my dad this past weekend and he mentioned how the smallest particles reflect the largest. Spheres, revolving and rotating in paths around each other like our solar system on one end of the scale, and atoms, neutrons and electrons on the other end. Fascinating.
Jeff
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