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Re: Blind?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2008, 06:50:28 PM »

Arc, thanks for that pointer. GOD BLESS AND KEEP US ALL.
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Re: Blind?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2008, 11:25:08 PM »

Let me share this.

I recieved my sight and believed the Gospel of the Kingdom over the course of one night.  For three days I did little else but read and contemplate what I had just read...10 to 12 hours a day.  Almost all joy and forgiveness and understanding.

On the third day, I sat in my chair still swimming in all this goodness.  Then the thought came to mind, "I wonder how I can share this knowledge, and I wonder how I can make a buck off of this through sharing it?"  That's the truth.  God let me entertain this thought for quite a while...hours...and I fantasized about all kinds of scenarios where I might turn this new knowledge into new income...all in the name of serving Christ, of course.  Then He pulled me up short, and showed me what kind of 'filthy rags' even my 'righteousness' was.  And that's when the vessel began to shatter. 

That's when I understood what this Gospel contained.  Righteous judgement, repentence, dethroning this I/Beast, sorrow, tribulation, the experience of evil, death to self.  And all of it is a gift of God--Grace, just as surely as forgiveness and sight are.  We can learn to be thankful for the hard work that God has to do in us as we wait on Him to do it.  We can learn to count it all joy when we believe in His purpose for it, just as we can count it joy knowing the ultimate destiny of all His creation. 

All of us have been protected from committing some sins.  Not everyone is a drunkard or a whoremonger, for example.  We aren't all even TEMPTED in all things.  But the one sin we are all subject to is this self-righteousness/beast on the Throne.  This we are born with.  And with every new self-promoting, self-crowning, self-powered 'act of righteousness' we actually grow in sin and away from God.  Christendom may detest some sins, but they actually reward this one.  That's why judgement must begin in the House of God.

I know I'm not saying anything new.  I hope it holds for a season because I don't think I'm to be posting 'deep thoughts' for a while. 

 

 

 
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Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2008, 11:42:44 PM »

You know, some posters here really seem to have a good grasp on Rays teachings, and you Dave, are one of them.  Why, despite my continued quest for wisdom, does God not give me the understanding and the words to express it?

Sometimes when I read the posts of others, I feel like maybe I am lost and have no business being here.  I know I am where God wants me to be but I've said it before and I'll say it again, sometimes I am completely lost.  It's frustrating and sometimes I want to give up.  :(

Hanging in there for now,
Eileen
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Samarnon

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2008, 11:43:35 PM »

Hi Joe

I hope you have a really great time at the Conference!


You talk about living the "bitter sweet experience. "

Job was clear in his conscience but was unclear about his STATUS before God until he was given that bitter experience. Then only did he confess he was a worm and previously had not known any better.

The great prophet Isaiah also confessed that he was a man of unclean lips and had to experience the live coal taken out of the fire and touched to his lips which could not have been pleasant either.

Yes, we all have to experience our wretchedness and that is bitter and totally against what we would chose for ourselves. Hence we have to be dragged against our will and preferences to experience the magnitude of God that invariably by contrast shows up our imperfections.

The painfull separation from the masses that comes from letting go of false teachings and the need for healing from the grief brought about by shattered illusions of self righteousness is part of the process of getting cleaned up, humbled and prepared to stand in His sight. It is all His work because it is simply too bitter and painful to be chosen as a preference by the carnal mind.

Arc


WOW...!   ;D

Arc/Deb,

A second WOW!!!

This is what I really missed from you.
Thank you dear lady for your great insight.

Love,
Joy
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Re: Blind?
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 12:21:52 AM »

Eileen, I felt like I was lost and had no business being there at the conference.   :D  You ever sat at a table with Kat and Joe and Rene and all these great posters?  We feel like we're lost because we are.  (I know they feel that way too). 

Isa 33:2  O LORD, be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: be thou their arm every morning, our salvation also in the time of trouble.

Lam 3:22-24  The kindnesses of Jehovah! For we have not been consumed, For not ended have His mercies. New every morning, abundant is thy faithfulness. My portion is Jehovah, hath my soul said, Therefore I hope for Him.

 
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Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.

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Re: Blind?
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2008, 12:23:57 AM »

This is my first post,  I have been aware of the truth for several years though i have constantly been at battle with what i know God wants from my life and the life i want to live.  I struggled with this all through college, and about two years ago i began dating someone who though i knew neither of us were spiritually prepared for the relationship, i believed we would help build each other and grow together.  Needless to say the whole relationship was very stressful and though we did try to encourage each other we never were able to get out of our worldy desires and troubles in our relationship. 

We broke up 3 weeks ago, and it has been the most difficult battle i have faced.  I was completely broke.  I had no where to turn, no one to turn to.  And since i have realized that God had done all of this for a reason, he put me in the only situation that i could possibly realize that there is no one, no thing other than God to bring peace to my life.  I had always relied on people or things to bring temporary happiness. 

So here i am, trying to believe God has a wonderful plan for me. Its a very difficult thing to do sometimes, i find myself going back to my carnal desires often and sometime feel as though im not strong enough to handle this.  It can be very overwhelming at times.  But I keep going to the word for encouragement and every time he has reminded me that he doesnt pick the strong and wise, he is with me and will give me the strength to overcome my obstacles.

If any of you have some encouraging thoughts for a "beginner" i would love to hear them.

Learning to love the Journey! 
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2008, 12:34:04 AM »

Journeyman82,

   I am not saying this to make you feel worse. But a lot of it is not going to get easier. I really think if you face the fact that it is not going to be easy and it is a fight then you can be more hopeful than trying to think some sort of paradise is around the corner. This is a very difficult process. This is not said to make you throw your hands up and give up but to just let you know this is how it goes. Endurance is the key.

Jeff
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Re: Blind?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2008, 01:23:38 AM »

You know, some posters here really seem to have a good grasp on Rays teachings, and you Dave, are one of them.  Why, despite my continued quest for wisdom, does God not give me the understanding and the words to express it?

Sometimes when I read the posts of others, I feel like maybe I am lost and have no business being here.  I know I am where God wants me to be but I've said it before and I'll say it again, sometimes I am completely lost.  It's frustrating and sometimes I want to give up.  :(

Hanging in there for now,
Eileen

Friend Eileen,

Having read a few of your post about your own family, I would venture a few comments offered in love but with enough candor to provoke you to pay attention.   If you are not ready for this adventure or if you are needing a smoke just now, please stop reading right here and come back when you feel more forgiving of an old man's unsolicited advice.

As I said, offered in love and with the approval of my better half Doris.  O.K. ?


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1. You seem concerned that you are not making progress in your understanding and /or not gaining as much spiritual insight as others on the forum.  Personally, I don't see this lack in you.  You explain things clearly when the topic is something with which you are familiar, so maybe you need to either be more selective about the topics you address OR even better start a topic yourself and make it something with which you have a deep interest.  Let the rest of us benefit from your extensive research or experience in a favorite area of interest.  Your college kids for example.  Or your husbands dreams for his or the family's future.  In other words look outside yourself from your home experiences in the same manner that you do when responding to forum questions.  We see you as quite friendly and helpful, but maybe you are selective and only write when you are in a good mood.  (smile)
In my own case, I almost always edit carefully before posting, just to be sure my comments are loving, but you will have to make that judgment about this message.  (smile)  Let me know how well or how poorly I did.  Thanks

The other topic I would like to share with you concerns your mention of how often you share forum topics and Ray Smith's teachings with family members who don't seem to appreciate it or can't understand.  This is quite normal as I'm sure you know and one piece of advice I would give since you have been trying to teach husband for a few months now, is to give it a break for a whole month, 30 days, and see what happens.  

Ask God for help and then focus your attention on your husband's interest, your children's interest and avoid speaking about your new knowledge, your concerns for your former church, your relatives and neighbors who still attend there and so forth.
This approach may present a challenge for you and may become a struggle, but it may also teach you a valuable lesson.

Consider how long you could maintain interest in the new truth you have learned if you were sharing your knowledge in the ladies circle or at the coffee shop with friends.  Compare that with the time you spend every day or every week sharing with a captive audience, your family, who can't walk away from the table or change the subject, or make the excuse that they have to get home to do the chores.  They may have thought of it, but since you know their plans it's almost as if you had them chained to the chair so that they have to listen.

I'm sure that your husbands loves you and wants to please, but how much of a struggle is it for him to remain polite and act interested when, as you have said, it just isn't getting through to him.

Now maybe I am stepping out of bounds here and maybe I am missing the point you had wanted to share.  If so, I hope you will forgive an old man who has made similar efforts to teach my family in the past.  What I have since learned is that my example is much more important than my speech or reasoning.

Also, I have the very important and great gift of knowing beyond doubt that my family will all be in God's kingdom and that I will be there to greet them when they are resurrected.  This special knowledge gives me peace of mind so that I am able to let them live their lives just as they please, mistakes and all.

Doris and I have four children and my youngest David, lived with his high school sweetheart for a few weeks leading to her becoming pregnant.  They split up in an angry fashion and she delivered the baby alone on May 5, 1990.  When we found out about the baby we had a DNA test and then accepted our Grandson as our own.  For the past 18 years we have helped to raise the boy and he has been in and out of our home and our local schools and suffered quite a lot due to the lack of family unity.  There is a lot more to the story but the point I wish to share is that on June 4th of this year he was killed in an auto accident and we sorely miss him.

However, my wife and I are at peace with the situation.  Brandon, who was not a member of any church and not a believer, will be in a resurrection and will be in God's family in due time.  That is what is important to us.

How he lived and how he died, so young and so early is also a serious loss for us and yet we have the blessed reassurance that his life will continue in the next instant of his consciousness.  His mother and her family, the other grandparents, DO NOT have that reassurance.  They are strict Catholic and could not accept our beliefs, so they are carrying this burden of regret and the thought that Brandon is in purgatory or hell or limbo waiting for them to make amends for their lack of love or for the mistakes they may have made with him, by not accepting him when he was a baby.

I feel so sorry for them, but I can't help them, I can't explain, they can't receive it, their eyes are blinded.

Some things we cannot change and so we must be satisfied to let God care for the situation in HIS good time even when it concerns family and friends who would give anything to have the burden of guilt removed.  What we can do is pray for them and treat them with the full respect of those who are yet to become members of the true church. When God is ready.

I hope this has been a little bit helpful and please let me know if I have said too much.
I'm still learning and I'm only a man  ;o)


Love and hugs Indiana Bob
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kweli

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Re: Blind?
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2008, 05:04:09 AM »

Pearls, pearls and more pearls

Hello Arcturus. Welcome back and as always, thank you for your insight.

There's a line from the Matrix movie that I stuck with me for a very long time, and it goes something like "Ignorance is bliss". Now I understand exactly what that means.

I am not saying this to make you feel worse. But a lot of it is not going to get easier. I really think if you face the fact that it is not going to be easy and it is a fight then you can be more hopeful than trying to think some sort of paradise is around the corner. This is a very difficult process. This is not said to make you throw your hands up and give up but to just let you know this is how it goes. Endurance is the key.

Some things we cannot change and so we must be satisfied to let God care for the situation in HIS good time even when it concerns family and friends who would give anything to have the burden of guilt removed.  What we can do is pray for them and treat them with the full respect of those who are yet to become members of the true church.

Great thread. I must admit though that getting to a stage where you can rejoice for being 'beaten and persecuted' (like the apostles) is hard. I sympathize with Eileen. And agree with Dave in Tenn that we're all going through it. I just wish to highlight what Arcturus posted. There's more wisdom to it that I realized and hope someone out there sees it...
It is all His work because it is simply too bitter and painful to be chosen as a preference by the carnal mind.
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2008, 06:26:06 AM »

I like that the blind man was not influenced by the multitudes but shouted even louder when told to keep quiet. He could see what the multitudes could not see and he was the one who received the miracle!

Arcturus.....it is priceless, your words of wisdom!

Kweli, I agree with you about "It is all His work because it is simply too bitter and painful to be chosen as a preference by the carnal mind. "

I have often thought just what a bitter-painful-hard and lonely rode this is.  Certainly not what they teach in 90210 sunday school!  I am glad that I did not get any choice in this matter of God revealing Himself to me.

Every day I fall more and more in love with my Saviour and I can't get my head around how awesome it is....I feel so blessed and want to sometimes pinch myself just to make sure that I am not dreaming all this up....then I know that I am not and I feel....humbled.

Love
Heidi
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Deborah-Leigh

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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2008, 03:59:06 PM »

Joy, Kweli and Heidi THANK YOU!
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tinknocker

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Re: Blind?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2008, 04:09:21 AM »

Yes, I can relate.

How your post relates to me:

Spiritual “perfect 20/20” does not come in one fell swoop.

Amrhrasach

I think this is true of all of us. But here is something that I hope will encourage you and all of us. It took Paul 3 years before he started teaching truth to the Jews. Remember that Paul was a pharisie, He had the best religious teacher of his time. Then we see from his writings it took 13 years before he started confirming the truths he learned to the Gentiles. 13 years to realize his calling! 13 years of maturing before God sent him to the Gentiles. Paul was still maturing even after 13 years because he stopped teaching physical baptism and started teaching one baptism - a spiritual baptism.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope at your calling; 5  one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6  one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all.

We need to realize that it is God who sets the time table - not us. So do not be discouraged in your progress it is not in your hands. God is bringing us along at speed He has determined for each one of us.

Proverbs 16:9   
A man's heart plans his way, but the LORD determines his steps. 


Your brother
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2008, 04:19:07 PM »

Journeyman82,

It does get better with the knowing.  Knowing the truth of God until you are not only saying you believe it your actions show it. 
Staying in the Word daily, seeking truth and wisdom with all of your heart, being patient, and coming to the point of really trusting God in action, then you will start to feel that peace that passes all understanding. 
It has to come from the inside out. 
Feel up with Christ in you.
It is a journey, but it is an inevitable journey.  Stay the course and believe Him and He will see you through.

CIY
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2008, 12:26:14 PM »

I had to read this over a few times also.

I so hope, and am encouraged that my sin,...I will become blind & deaf to.

Wow Rodger,
Brenda
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2008, 12:53:54 PM »

Falconn003 said: “As our eyes open to the sightful Truth of the Word of God and ears open to the voice of God. Could it be true-er still that our eyes become blind to the sight of sin and ears become deaf to the calls of sinning.”


Thank you Rodger.

I wait on such a transformation.   But don’t we all? 

Such is hope.

A.


Thanks always be to God, Our Father who has instilled this knowledge within us all.
I seek no glory, nor admiration, nor reward.

With the hope for us all , i await this transformation aswell, until Our sleep.

Peace
Rodger
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2008, 12:54:49 PM »

I had to read this over a few times also.

I so hope, and am encouraged that my sin,...I will become blind & deaf to.

Wow Rodger,
Brenda
 :'(

Thanks be to God.

Peace
Rodger
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