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Ricky:
Hello all,  This has me a bit confused and it has something to do a little bit with what Ray teaches. Ray says that the god of the church is Satan, but the Cross belongs to the church and the bible. Al Qaeda says they plan on more and bigger attacks on The god of the Cross. Al Qaeda believes they have god and the cross has Satan. So who does this cross belong to if it goes with the church, it sounds like they have always know something we haven't. Their are only certain people here that can explain things to me in a way that I can understand and I like that. Sure hope they can help me out on this one.
    Bless you all.     Ricky ???   

indianabob:
Wow Ricky,

I hardly know where to start.

There are so many ways a person could respond that might help OR might confuse the issue even more.

My suggestion would be to give your message some more thought and write back with more detail.
What exactly are you concerned about?  Which article of Ray Smith's are you referring to in your comment about the church of Satan?  Why are you thinking that Al Qaeda is of concern?

I don't want to seem evasive, but I don't want to answer without understanding the facts.

Perhaps additional information will lead us to some interesting discussions.
Please write back and fill in some additional details.
I will be happy to read them all and try to respond.

Any one else have an idea?

Sincerely, Indiana Bob

Ricky:
Hi Bob, Please read it again, I never said the church of satan. I need to wait for more replys and see who understands what I have said.
     Ricky
           

Stevernator:
I think Ray is showing how scripture makes a distinction between the outward wordly "church" and the true church of the spiritually circumcised, crucified, baptised into the death of Jesus Christ. In the Bible, the cross has spiritual significance. However. the fact that the worldly church refers to the cross does not lessen the significance given to it in the NT. Who says the cross belongs to the worldly church?

So I guess you are implying that Al Qaeda is trying to attack satan or something? According to my knowledge, Muslims claim to believe in the same God as revealed in the Bible (but they claim that the scriptures were corrupted) so that would not make sense to me. I have heard USA referred to as the great devil by individuals.

iris:


An email from Ray...

Dear Ray,
A Witness friend tells me the cross is pagan, Jesus died on a stake, would be interested in your view. enjoy your site.
Ann
 
Dear Ann:
The Greek word translated cross in the most Bibles is "stauros" and it means an upright post or pole. It has come to be called a "cross," however, it did not have a cross member. Don't get too excited over the fact that the cross is pagan, however, seeing that the use of a pole or post for impaling people is ALSO PAGAN.
God be with you,
Ray


Iris

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