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Forces of the cross
Samson:
--- Quote from: iris on September 20, 2008, 12:37:45 AM ---
An email from Ray...
Dear Ray,
A Witness friend tells me the cross is pagan, Jesus died on a stake, would be interested in your view. enjoy your site.
Ann
Dear Ann:
The Greek word translated cross in the most Bibles is "stauros" and it means an upright post or pole. It has come to be called a "cross," however, it did not have a cross member. Don't get too excited over the fact that the cross is pagan, however, seeing that the use of a pole or post for impaling people is ALSO PAGAN.
God be with you,
Ray
Iris
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Hello Ricky,
I don't know exactly where your coming from, but I'll take a stab. The Cross is a piece of wood and cannot see, cannot hear, cannot feel, cannot speak(Read Psalm. 115:4-8). Many in Christendom put more emphasis towards the instrument of Christ's death, bowing, kissing and saying prayers to a piece of wood or metal. My explanation here, is not attacking whether or not someone decides to have a Crucifix or a symbol representing Christs death. The above mentioned by Ray, presented by Iris shows that whether or not Jesus died on Cross or Upright pole or a Tree, putting undue attention on the symbol to the exclusion of what it symbolizes is Idolatry. If Jesus was shot in the head instead of being nailed to the Cross, would we kiss, say prayers or elevate this instrument of death, putting more attention on that than what what Christs death represents for us.
Whether or not Jesus died on a Cross or upright Pole(Stauros) or Tree(Xulon) is for another topic. I was a JW for twenty years and have researched this controversy and plan to present this at another time.
The main point that I'm attempting to provide for you is that many in Christendom are more interested in " Cross Worshipping " by their emphasis on a lifeless piece of wood, than they are towards the Sacrificial life that Jesus provided for All.
Just my thoughts & Kind Regards, Samson.
dewey:
good reply samson,
in Christ, love yuans
dewey
EKnight:
Funny this whole cross subject came up because I was on my way home from a trip today and wondered if wearing a cross around my neck was pagan. To me it's a symbol of Christ's sacrifice and I wear it to remind myself and others of that fact. Is this pagan? Idolatry? ???
Eileen
Richard D:
Between Ray’s paper’s and this forum I find it amazing that everything taught even the cross was a lie. I guess there is no truth out there or if there is how does one determines what truth is.
Eileen what you had wrote really has me thinking now. It’s like everything I held or believe sacred appears to have been a great job of deception. I never knew how busy Satan has been in deceiving the whole world till I was lead to Ray’s papers and this forum.
Samson, after reading you posted I realize how right you are and how the beast within us deceives us in what feels so right or even in what appears to be right. I was just thinking how deceived I am.
You know Pontus Pilate said to Christ, “truth what is that” I guess 2000 years later we’re asking the same question but with much more deception in our times.
All I can say if not for the grace of God none of us would have any truth in our lives.
In His Love. Richard.
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: EKnight on September 21, 2008, 05:55:58 PM ---Funny this whole cross subject came up because I was on my way home from a trip today and wondered if wearing a cross around my neck was pagan. To me it's a symbol of Christ's sacrifice and I wear it to remind myself and others of that fact. Is this pagan? Idolatry? ???
Eileen
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Eileen,
About wearing a cross. There was a previous thread about paganism that was very long, and eventually locked. It does I believe have some good comments from different perspectives. It deals with Holidays also. It is a touchy subject. What I would say {just me} is it depends. We are not under a legalistic physical law. Just like the Sabbath, we no longer need to act out the physical, to celebrate it spiritually.
If someone wears a cross, and think it protects, or has any mystic power in its formed metal. That is worshiping something physical/Pagan/Created. It should be our good works/fruit that display our position in the body of Christ to others. Labels, titles, and symbols, [have their place] but are a carnal shortcut for the mind to look no further.
A cross around someones neck can not communicate Christ or the character of the person who wears it. I also don't think it is a Sin to wear one, or have one. Something physical created my man has in itself no Evil or Good. It is what man does with it.
Just my thoughts, Others may believe different. I respect that!
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