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Forces of the cross
Samson:
--- Quote from: Richard D on September 22, 2008, 06:25:07 AM ---Between Ray’s paper’s and this forum I find it amazing that everything taught even the cross was a lie. I guess there is no truth out there or if there is how does one determines what truth is.
Eileen what you had wrote really has me thinking now. It’s like everything I held or believe sacred appears to have been a great job of deception. I never knew how busy Satan has been in deceiving the whole world till I was lead to Ray’s papers and this forum.
Samson, after reading you posted I realize how right you are and how the beast within us deceives us in what feels so right or even in what appears to be right. I was just thinking how deceived I am.
You know Pontus Pilate said to Christ, “truth what is that” I guess 2000 years later we’re asking the same question but with much more deception in our times.
All I can say if not for the grace of God none of us would have any truth in our lives.
In His Love. Richard.
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Good Post Richard,
In my previous Post, I didn't want to give the impression that it was wrong or right to have in ones possession a Cross, picture of Jesus or any type of Religious artwork. Eileen seemed concerned about this, My point was that these pieces of artwork, at most are symbols and what they symbolize, is whats important, because the actual symbols or representations are lifeless as expressed at Psalms. 115:4-8(cannot speak, even though they have a mouth, cannot hear, even though they have ears; etc, etc) Personally, I don't have any of these things. We have to keep in mind and balance that God is Spirit(The Father) and we don't have any true Physical representation of him. With that said, we should harmonize that Scripture(John. 4:24) with the one where Paul says: An Idol is nothing." Also the Ark of the Covenant had Cherubs on it, so it doesn't necessary mean it's wrong to have symbols. I'm convinced that to kiss, bow down or direct prayers to these symbols would be inappropriate.
Kind Regards, Samson.
Heidi:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on September 22, 2008, 06:58:51 AM ---Something physical created my man has in itself no Evil or Good. It is what man does with it.
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O'Brenda, I believe you have hit the nail on the head...it is what man does with it. I wear a cross, not to bow down to it, or believing it has any special power etc. It makes me feel special and maybe that is an idol of the heart. I belief that God will lead me to take it off or not.
Just my 2 cents worth!
Love
Heidi
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: Heidi on September 22, 2008, 08:32:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: OBrenda on September 22, 2008, 06:58:51 AM ---Something physical created my man has in itself no Evil or Good. It is what man does with it.
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O'Brenda, I believe you have hit the nail on the head...it is what man does with it. I wear a cross, not to bow down to it, or believing it has any special power etc. It makes me feel special and maybe that is an idol of the heart. I belief that God will lead me to take it off or not.
Just my 2 cents worth!
Love
Heidi
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And that is as it should be, my Sister!
Love the cherub on the Ark Samson, never heard that one before, that is priceless to the balance of scripture!
Dave in Tenn:
Ricky, let me try to seperate this for communication's sake.
Revelation refers to the 'greater church' as the synagogue of Satan. In doctrine, in practice, and in attitude they follow the adversary. They certainly don't believe they do, but they do.
Islam (and Al Qaeda as part of that) might also be considered part of the synagogue of Satan. I'm not 100% sure of that, but they DO bear some similarities. They 'worship' the God of Abraham, and they recognize Jesus, but deny His authority. In many ways, they are 'like' the church, and in many ways the 'church' is like them. Islam (and Al Qaeda) believe they are honoring God, but they aren't.
God is using both to fulfill His Purposes. God is God.
If Al Qaeda is warring against the 'God of the cross' it's because the cross is the commonly recognized symbol of Christianity. This is a religious war where neither side has the Truth. In the spiritual, since the carnal mind is enmity (deep-seated hatred or strife) with God, neither is on God's side. Both are being used like God used Pharoah, and His use of them is much more complex than we can even know, much less understand.
These verses give me a lot of comfort when dealing with struggles between evils.
Joshua 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay (neither); but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.
I wrote a song a long time ago that put it this way:
I'm not choosing sides.
I'm taking over.
I am the Lord of Hosts.
Whose side are you on?
musicman:
I look at it like this:
If I wear a hat displaying my favorite team, I am not worshipping the hat or the team. I am just showing everybody else who my favorite team is.
When one wears a cross, they aren't neccessarily worshipping the cross or the person it is supposed to represent. It is only telling everybody else which "god" you believe in.
The reason I used a lower case g for god, is because wearing a cross does not tell anybody which Jesus you believe in. Most cross wearing individuals believe in the god of babylon, or the failure.
So, the cross represents a number of different gods. The true God requires no physical symbol.
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