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JeffH:
Legoman,
Amen brother.
Jeff
Craig:
--- Quote ---You and I and everyone else here are MUCH more accountable for our sin than those deceived people.
--- End quote ---
I agree with you 100% here.
"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required"
--- Quote --- I doubt that, at Judgment time, those people are going to be held accountable for teaching and believing that hell is a place of torture.
--- End quote ---
But I disagree 100% with you here.
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.'
We will all be accountable for our thoughts and actions and beliefs. We have no clue on who God's elect is. It may be someone who believes in hell, it could be a muslim, an athiest, etc, etc. But you can bet they (and we) all will be accountable for their thoughts, actions and beliefs and God will deal with them accordingly.
Craig
Beloved:
Now you piqued my interest Craig can you further explain you wrote
We have no clue on who God's elect is. It may be someone who believes in hell, it could be a Muslim, an atheist, etc, etc. But you can bet they (and we) all will be accountable for their thoughts, actions and beliefs and God will deal with them accordingly
I thought His elect were those who were faithful followed Christ and died daily and endured until the end. I agree with the fact that all are accountable and that who the elect are not known at this time.
Isn't belief in Hell blaspheming God?, the Muslim, does not love his fellow men, therefore by the word cannot be a follower of Christ? Regarding the atheist...is not this a case of the pot denying he Potter? I am confused.
When I asked about these three groups, I do not want to imply judgement to them, rather that I want Him to remove these things ans actions that displease God from me. I can see that God can bring any of these three to HIM and that they could become the elect or chosen.
Eating from the tree of Good and Evil implies judgement, we should not judge others action only are own..that is something we are to do when our eyes have been opened and the Spirit is working in us .
We have to be constantly aware that it is so easy for satan to puff one up and deceive one into thinking too much of self...it is just another ploy to get 'Self' to sit on the seat that belongs to the Father. That is why these posts are good because they help deflate my own balloons.
beloved
Craig:
What I meant was, we don't know where God will pluck out his elect. I would say Paul was elect and he wasn't a sister Theresa before God called on him. What a person believes now or where they live and what religion they are brought up in has no bearing on who God chooses. God will choose whom He will.
I believe most on this forum have been called, but that by no means makes us better than the people I pointed out. Some of them could well be the elect, and we may always be the called.
Craig
dogcombat:
Craig,
You mentioned a VERY DEEP truth that only a few will understand. That's why Ray noted in his papers that we aren't saved in this life. But that salvation is FUTURE TENSE.
May God's Grace Open Our Eyes
Ches
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