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David:
You are My witnesses,” says the LORD,

      “ And My servant whom I have chosen,
      That you may know and believe Me,
      And understand that I am He.
      Before Me there was no God formed,
      Nor shall there be after Me.

 I find the inclusion of this word "formed" here very intersting.

יצר
yâtsar
yaw-tsar'
probably identical with H3334 (through the squeezing into shape); (compare H3331); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively to determine (that is, form a resolution): -  X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose.

Is this saying that God formed Christ? Or something completely different? Anyone have any thoughts?

Martinez:

In my understanding (limited) I would think that this talking about Christ too.

As far as I can ascertain from the bible, Christ is a created being and not from all eternity like God as the church teaches

Heidi:
Commentary from Wesley's Notes:

"43:10 Ye - You my people are able to witness for me, that I have given you plain demonstrations of my certain knowledge of future events. My servant - Cyrus who is an eminent instance and proof of God's foreknowledge: or, the Messiah, who is the most eminent witness in this cause. Understand - That I am the true God. Nor after me - The gods of the Heathens neither had a being before me nor shall continue after me: whereas the Lord is God from everlasting to everlasting; but these pretenders are but of yesterday. And withal he calls them formed gods, in a way of contempt, and to shew the ridiculousness of their pretence."[/i]

Also "formed-before I existed none of the false gods were formed. "Formed" applies to the idols, not to God. Re 1:11 uses the same language to prove the Godhead of Jesus, as Isaiah here to prove the Godhead of Jehovah." (Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary)

IMO: God was never formed, He IS AND we know that Jesus is God, so this verse to me proofs that God is not something fashioned out of manmade abilities (like the idols or other gods).  He is sovereign.

Love
Heidi

Dave in Tenn:
Just for more reference, Young's Literal Translation.

Isa 43:10  Ye are My witnesses, an affirmation of Jehovah, And My servant whom I have chosen, So that ye know and give credence to Me, And understand that I am He, Before Me there was no God formed, And after Me there is none.

'Jehovah' is a transliteration from the Hebrew.  'God' translated from H410 אל 'êl.
 

Richard D:
Martinez.

Waite a minute, I don’t understand, you said Christ is a created being? How can Christ be God if he’s created?

How can this be? I just don’t understand Jesus being created. He has no beginning or ending.

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