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Isa 43:10
Kat:
Hi Musicman,
This is from the same transcript of the 2007 Nashville Conference.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg38212.html#msg38212 ---
"There is ONE GOD" (I Cor.8:5); "God is SPIRIT" (John 6:24);
"by ONE SPIRIT baptized into one body" (I Co. 12:13);
"But he that is joined unto the Lord IS ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor. 6:17); "I and My Father are ONE" (John 10:30)
"There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE, of your calling; ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, Who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL" (Eph. 4:4-6).
HENCE: WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT JESUS, WE KNOW ABOUT HIS FATHER
Jesus spoke the words of His Father and did the works of His Father (John 14:10 & 14:24 & 5:19).
Jesus Christ "declares the FATHER" (John 1:18). And reveals the Father to whomever the Son desires (Matt. 11:27). Jesus was revealing the Father to the disciples His whole ministry, but Phillip missed is: (John 14:9-11). Remember when Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"? (John 8:58). He was also revealing HIMSELF as the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!
He is THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!
Jesus Christ is the ONLY REVELATION OF GOD THAT WE HAVE.
Even the Holy Spirit we all have comes from God THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Jesus is that Comforter, that Spirit.
Our Saviour and our Brother.
The Son of God.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Rene:
--- Quote from: musicman on September 30, 2008, 10:49:31 PM ---So, basically what confuses me are the Isaiah scriptures quoted by Rodger. I wonder how the God of the OT can say, besides me there is no God. We've learned that the God of the OT has to be Christ. So how can there be no other? Where's the Father in all of this?
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Dan,
Maybe this email reply from Ray will help in your understanding.
René
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3052.0.html
Hi Ray,
Do you believe that Jesus is God? If so, how can he be God if the Father is?
Chris
P.S I know that you don't believe in the trinity but I'm sure it said in one of your papers that Jesus is God. :-)
Dear Christopher:
"God" is not the personal last name of Jesus' Father. God is more like a title, more like "Christ," which is not Jesus' last name either, but a title--Jesus is THE CHRIST, and Jesus is GOD.
If One is:
THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH (Col. 1:15-18)
POSSESSING IMMORTAL LIFE.(John 17:1-3)
HAS ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH (Matt. 28:18)
Then that One IS GOD! Jesus filfills all three of those
statements of fact, as does His Father. That is why
Both Jesus and His Father are ONE (John 10:30).
God be with you,
Ray
musicman:
While Christ possesses everything that the Father has, it's my understanding that Christ is an individual and not the same as God the Father. My problem is not in calling Christ God. I guess my issue is in "besides me there is no God".
Perhaps this means that there is no other personality that is God besides the One. Or that Christ (Jehovah) is speaking for the Father. After all, they are One in spirit.
Kat:
Hi Musicman,
Isa 45:5 I am Yahweh Elohim, and there is none else. There is no Elohim except Me. I am belting you, yet you do not know Me. (CLV)
This is from the 2006 Mobile Conference transcript, first audio 'WHAT IS "THE FATHER'S WILL?'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=1948.0 -------
Back to verse 5. How can there be no other God besides Jehovah?
He is Yahweh and Elohim is part of Yahweh.
So He says I am the Lord and there is no God besides Me.
Now when it says, in the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, it’s a plural. That’s why God said let US be making man in OUR image. How can one person say Us and Our? It’s because God is from the Hebrew word Elohim and it’s plural. Jehovah is part of that plurality.
He is part of the us, so really there is no us, but whoever God represents, is us. Sometimes He even represents us, as an angel of the Lord, but sometimes I have a feeling that it’s Jehovah, but it could be a special angel of the Lord, that is not Jehovah. And when He speaks on behalf of God, people took that as God.
Like an ambassador of our country, you would represent your country, tho you are not our country, you are the highest representative of your country.
But Jehovah is part of the Elohim, the One God.
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Hope this helps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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