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knuckle:
Hi All------------
I don't know how well this will be understood but I believe that the use of the cloths was to seperate the power of the Holy Spirit from Paul.Paul's message of sonship goes beyond "Christ crucified" to Christ in us.A manifestation of God's power out side or away from the apostles(through the use of these cloths) was to take the eye off the messenger and put it on the message it self.Remember Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Act 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
These babes in Christ that Paul was sent to had to be shown that Paul was not the source of the power but that the Holy Spirit was.It also took away the idea that it was a sham as Paul didn't know whom the cloths were carried to until after the fact.----As for prayer cloths working today just like prayer if it be God's will it works but woe unto those folks who seek to make merchandise of God they will recieve much more than a love gift of not less than.... just my take on it.
much love--knuckle
jennifer:
Hi Knuckle,
I'm trying to wrap your thoughts around my mind and was wondering whether you can show me a scripture to support your statement. I'm still stuck on Rom. 15:17-19: " In union with the Messiah, then, I have reason to be proud of my service to God; for I will not dare speak of anything except what the Messiah has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience by my words and deeds, through the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit of God".
Did the separation also happen to the other apostles?
Grace be with you.
knuckle:
Hi Jennifer--------
My belief doesn't come from a single verse but from how carefully Paul deals with praise from those he ministered to. I had quoted acts 14--I think that what the priests of jupiter tried to do really opened Paul's mind up that some out there would confuse the message with the messenger--take this verse for example--1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? --- Paul is very short with them because they tried to elevate him to the status of Christ.That was (IMHO) terrifying to him. and was something paul NEVER wanted to happen.
Every letter Paul wrote started off with this kind of message---Paul was in a situation that the other Apostles were not---he went to the gentiles directly many times,pagan folk who were open to making paul a deity.Show them a miracle and they were want to make Paul a god.
you quoted Rom. 15:17-19: which is exactly how Paul felt about it ---he was proud of his service to God but he wanted men to know he was just a lowly servant.
Much love---------knuckle
gmik:
Knuckle, that is making sense to me- to separate him from the work that God was doing.
Jennifer, being from a pentecostal/charismatic background for 30 years I always wondered why baptists and bible churches said those things stopped. Since it is in the same sentences with knowledge I assume you mean that all knowledge has stopped as well???
I have seen miracles and have had miracles in my own life so I think that the Is, Was, and Will be of God hasn't changed (I am the Lord, I change not) and that He is healing He was healing and He will be healing. The change in me since I have come to BT is that it is all God's Will.
I used to think I had some hand in it---I need more Faith, I need to pray more, I need to help others more, I need to read the Bible more...I, I, I, I, :oops: No, it is God who wills of His good pleasure and after the counsel of His own will.
If you read Ray he prays for miracles all the time, but sometimes it happens and some times it doesn't.
Unfortunately, miracles today are usually associated with TBN and those kind of charletans.
I do know, that when My sister in law was going thru cancer,we would have tried anything to get her healed. That is when I mailed her the hankie. I would not do that now.
knuckle:
Hi all--------
gmik wrote---------I do know, that when My sister in law was going thru cancer,we would have tried anything to get her healed. That is when I mailed her the hankie
I think that God(who knows our hearts and minds) sees acts of love like yours for your sister in law and are counted toward rightiousness.That is why some charlitan who trys to take advantage of human suffering and make merchandise of God will be called out sternly on this.
much love----knuckle
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