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Where Did Christ Ascend?
Origen II:
I was reading Mikes paper, "What is Heaven?" and it was very good, but I am left confused.
Where did Christ go after the 40 days after His resurrection, then? It says in Luke that He ascended back from whence He came, so if Heaven isn't a place...then where did He go?
eutychus:
greetings,
that word ascend come from:
Ana None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
an-ah' Preposition
Definition
into the midst, in the midst, amidst, among, between
heaven is a diminsion right along side this one, the spiritaul realm.
hopefully you are there:
Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],
Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
i dont think there is up and down and sideways, but this is a hard thing to understand in the physical realm we are bound to.
the invisable things on a molecular level are not subject to the same physical laws we are.
when scientist look in to this/ particals and this level it looks like chaos to
them,but we know its not.
chech out hour two on this site:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
any help?
love
chuck
chrissiela:
Christ returned to the Father, where He was in the beginning. He CAME OUT FROM the Father and then RETURNED TO the Father and the glory that he had with Him in the beginning. HE DESCENDED first and then He ascended.
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[/list:u]
The Word of God come UNTO us FROM God.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.[/list:u]
Part of the 'second woe' in the revelation of Jesus Christ is the two witnesses being killed and left dead and unburied in the middle of the street... and then...
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.[/list:u]
ascending and descending aren't necessarily moving from one physical location to another in an 'up or down' motion... but being IN a certain 'place' relative to spiritual matters. We can walk in the flesh or we can walk in the spirit.
One can think on 'heavenly' things and those things that are TRUE, HONEST, JUST, PURE, LOVELY, OF GOOD REPORT, VIRTUOUS and PRAISEWORTHY. OR they can think on things that are 'earthly' and fulfill the desire of the flesh.
As Chuck said we can move from one 'realm' to another without ever leaving this earth. We can look on things that can be SEEN (that are earthly and carnal and temporal) walking in the flesh or we can look on those things that are UNSEEN and that are of God in heaven (heavenly)and 'eternal'... walking in the spirit and not the flesh.... being seated WITH CHRIST in the heavens, even now/here.
Blessings,
Chrissie
eutychus:
amen:
its awsome when we get those spiritual eyes:
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known
Phl 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
interesting word walk:
Pateo 5:940,804
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pat-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to tread
to trample, crush with the feet
hmmmmmm
from:
pah'-yo
Definition
to strike, smite
to sting (to strike or wound with a sting)
and:
per'-an Adverb
Definition
beyond, on the other side
2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
chrissiela:
talking about FEET!! :lol: :lol:
Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his FEET.
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the FEET of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Eph 6:15 And your FEET shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your FEET.[/list:u]
The earth is His FOOT STOOL and He continued to WALK in it through His body.
Blessings,
Chrissie
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