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What is milk, what is meat?
WhoAmI:
The only problem I have with this "milk" supposedly coming from churches is that I don't see it as true "milk." The churches are wrong and don't teach the same Jesus, so how are some calling it "milk?" It may be "milk" but I don't think it is scriptural "milk." More like fake pagan milk. For me just because they use his name, Jesus, and talk of belief in him etc. That don't cut it because it isn't the same Jesus. I don't know Jesus just by his name but his voice. Many can come looking like Jesus but once the Jesus they tell you about starts talking he is no longer saying the same things the real Jesus did. The delusion is strong indeed.
Jeff
aqrinc:
Here are references to meat of the Scriptures. Hope this helps to clarify a very interesting subject.
I Corinthians 3:2:
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for till now you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able.
I Corinthians 10:3:
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
Hebrews 5:12:
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first
principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:14:
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses
exercised to discern both good and evil.
Geo.
Dave in Tenn:
Jeff. The delusion is strong, but its more than one-dimensional. That's what makes Ray's task (and ours too) so daunting. It's at least part of the reason the papers are so long too. ;D Most of us have come from beliefs and churches that were more than willing to at least consign 'other believers' to a lower status, if not prepared to cast them into hell for not getting it right. When they can't even agree on what falsehoods to teach/believe, the only thing that binds them is basic 'milk' doctrines.
It's perfectly OK for a six-year-old to imagine God as an old man who looks like her grandfather (without the stubble and beer breath) sitting on a rock in the sky. It's not OK for a 16 year old to 'see' God this way. By the time you're 26 if you still see Him that way, you're seriously stunted. It's the same God, for there IS no other God. He is Who He is. It's our understanding which is deficient, or our vision.
So I can see this progression of milk to meat...from immaturity to maturity...applying to many of the teachings and practices of the churches. Surely some are just plain wrong...Hell being the prime example. But some are not 'wrong', they are just insufficient to begin with and twisted for anybody who should have outgrown them.
Anyway, from the answers and quotes...maybe milk and meat aren't scripturally defined. Maybe they have to be discerned like all the other symbols and parables.
Addendum: Hebrews 5:14: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
BINGO!
tinknocker:
Hi Jeff,
What you wrote is true but I would like to expound on this so bare with me. You said;
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 08, 2008, 11:42:22 PM ---The only problem I have with this "milk" supposedly coming from churches is that I don't see it as true "milk." The churches are wrong and don't teach the same Jesus, so how are some calling it "milk?"
--- End quote ---
We all started out as called and on the same milk. By the grace of God the milk was not taken away from the choosen/elect;
Mat 13:12
For whoever has, more will be given to him, and he will have more than enough. But whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
They do not know they are dying from malnutrition but they are >:(
All we can do is pray for them, hoping that God gives them the desire to drink the real milk and more. That is my prayer for them.
Blessings
tinknocker
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 09, 2008, 12:43:09 AM ---Jeff. The delusion is strong, but its more than one-dimensional. That's what makes Ray's task (and ours too) so daunting. It's at least part of the reason the papers are so long too. ;D Most of us have come from beliefs and churches that were more than willing to at least consign 'other believers' to a lower status, if not prepared to cast them into hell for not getting it right. When they can't even agree on what falsehoods to teach/believe, the only thing that binds them is basic 'milk' doctrines.
It's perfectly OK for a six-year-old to imagine God as an old man who looks like her grandfather (without the stubble and beer breath) sitting on a rock in the sky. It's not OK for a 16 year old to 'see' God this way. By the time you're 26 if you still see Him that way, you're seriously stunted. It's the same God, for there IS no other God. He is Who He is. It's our understanding which is deficient, or our vision.
So I can see this progression of milk to meat...from immaturity to maturity...applying to many of the teachings and practices of the churches. Surely some are just plain wrong...Hell being the prime example. But some are not 'wrong', they are just insufficient to begin with and twisted for anybody who should have outgrown them.
Anyway, from the answers and quotes...maybe milk and meat aren't scripturally defined. Maybe they have to be discerned like all the other symbols and parables.
Addendum: Hebrews 5:14: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
BINGO!
--- End quote ---
It is amazing to see what we thought was so good was nothing really. It is part of the process.
2ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.
Onward to the meat! :)
Jeff
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