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aqrinc:
Rene,
I am busted down to PSC, you are right and i did not clarify my argument. All the called are exposed
to the Truth and are taught starting with (milk).
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--- Quote from: aqr on October 23, 2008, 12:58:54 AM ---Hi Martinez,
I wrote something about the preparation we go through in another thread, All of the called are taught the whole truth.
George.
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Hi George,
Only the called, WHO ARE CHOSEN, are given true spiritual sight and understanding in this age, which, in turn, produces the "fruit of God's spirit in the elect.
Here is an excerpt from the LOF Pt. 8 - Where Is the Church That Jesus Built?
http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html
THE "CALLED" AND THE "NOT CALLED"
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Martinez:
Here's what I was getting at.
Jdg 20:14 But the children of Benjamin gathered themselves together out of the cities unto Gibeah, to go out to battle against the children of Israel.
This I think is a spiritual match for this.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Jdg 20:15 And the children of Benjamin were numbered at that time out of the cities twenty and six thousand men that drew sword, beside the inhabitants of Gibeah, which were numbered seven hundred chosen men.
Here Israel is the few and the chosen, but only the few were in the right here.
Jdg 20:16 Among all this people there were seven hundred chosen men lefthanded; every one could sling stones at an hair breadth, and not miss.
No prizes for guessing what this means, they have great understanding of the word of God and destroying the enemies with it, thats what the stones are.
And I think this is a spiritual match for the above as well.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Jdg 20:17 And the men of Israel, beside Benjamin, were numbered four hundred thousand men that drew sword: all these were men of war.
I know these guys right here are the orthodox christian church because they are the many, they draw the sword (word of God) and they are men of war.
That's just what I get out of that at this particular point in time.
I find this stuff very exciting, I can't believe it's just right there under so many peoples noses and they never see it!
aqrinc:
Ok,
I get some of it now, this takes some digesting so off to more reading and Praying for understanding.
Longhorn:
--- Quote from: jacobbsladdr on November 14, 2008, 09:36:44 AM ---I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but this thread seemed to be an appropriate place to ask.
Does anyone have an idea outside of the obvious what the Elect will do or for that matter everyone once they have been given a spiritual body? I'm not sure if it's really important to even know but my imagination is going so I thought I'd pose the question. I know the universe is huge to say the least so I can imagine that maybe we will venture forth into the cosmos?
As far as the qualifications of the Chosen/Elect, I think the trials and tribulations we each go thru on personal levels are what will help to qualify the Elect as righteous Judges. When you have overcome something difficult afterward, you tend to be considered a pro at whatever it was that was an obstacle. Likewise, as Judges, the Elect will be able to judge properly those people who have similar shortcomings or obstacles. I think this is why each Elect person's road to God is purposely hard and difficult and extremely different from each other because of what they bring to the "table" so to speak. For example, how would an Elect judge a alcoholic who was abusive towards others unless one of the Elect had experienced the very same thing and overcome; how can one of the Elect righteously judge a child molester unless one of the Elect had either been on or had been a victim of one.
God said that He “chose the weak things of the world… and the base things of the world and the things that are despised…. and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. (1 Corinthians 1:27-29).
So I take from that, that the Elect will be comprised of formerly some of the most carnal people on the planet. These formerly carnal people will obviously be shown the complete truth and be converted after trials and chastisement, etc. But my point is, in order to understand the worse and be able to judge the worst fairly, you have to have a personal experience of being the worst yourself. Does that make any sense?
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Im a shoe in then. ;D
Longhorn
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: jacobbsladdr on November 14, 2008, 09:36:44 AM ---But my point is, in order to understand the worse and be able to judge the worst fairly, you have to have a personal experience of being the worst yourself. Does that make any sense?
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Hello jacobbsladdr,
Was Christ the worst himself in his earthly ministry in order to properly judge the worst in the world? We never read of Paul, when he was known as Saul, being a fornicator. Actually he kept the law 'blameless'. But he spoke out against such abominations to the numerous churches he wrote to after his conversion.
This is the same sort to question RichardD asked in the 'Evil' thread...there are some excellent comments there especially Ninny's (Kathy).
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all
Rom. 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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