Your response reminds me of a type of a religious rebuttal. My discussion is not some secret attack against Ray, bible-truths or Jesus or the scriptures.
But if I was to question Ray, bible-truths or Jesus or the scriptures then so be it, but it never means I am questioning them so say, but my understanding of them. And I would hope you would be aware that Ray is much more a thinker than most of those who come preaching. It is this use of this God given ability that has helped him expose the many contradictions. And this is what I do as well. And one last thing, all I have is words to communicate and manipulation of them to represent a bias interpretation of what I am going after is not of my doing. This again is clear proof how the mentally of man gets interjected in words, and yes we do this with the scriptures as well. I can speak and I will speak it with words, but if they do not fit a religious understanding set pattern it does not mean it is wrong. I can speak truth without quoting someone else who lived a long time before me. Again be aware of how much Ray writes his papers with his own words to express the same ideas expressed maybe in a few quotes of scriptures.
Jeff
Hello Jeff,
I don't understand where you continue to take this discussion. George, Lin, Dave, Kat & Brenda all stated they understood where you were coming from but also that ultimately they relied on the Word of God for truth in matters. Why you choose to continue to harp at me, the one person who DOESN'T UNDERSTAND what you mean, is bewildering.
1. You began this thread asking what we relied on to gauge our spiritual growth. George and I stated the Word of God.
2. Your next comment, is how if one's beliefs are false then they can't rely on scripture since they are spiritually blind. I understand that, but you asked members
here who have eyes to see and ears to hear. We ultimately rely on the scriptures...even with Ray's teachings.
3. This last comment is all over the place. 'A religious rebuttal'? Which quote? Who ever said you were making a sneaky attack? When has anyone said that your words need to fit a 'religious understanding set pattern'? If you make accusations, where are the quotes???!!!
But to stick to the main subject of this thread, we ultimately rely on the Word of God to establish any spiritual truths/growth. How do we do that? By comparing spiritual to spiritual for a SPIRITUAL MATCH. Ray goes over this and other spiritual truths in great detail in this paper:
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htmAlso, if you, personally, feel that God is molding you and giving you more understanding and you want to share, go ahead. If it is of God, it will NOT contradict the scriptures. If it is of God, more than enough members here will give an amen. Don't think that the members here are rigid when it comes to new spiritual understandings. But do take heed if they show that scripturally this new understanding is not of God. Even if you don't agree, seek God and he will lift you up and show you the truth.
Thanks,
Marques