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The Strong delusion
Deborah-Leigh:
God has placed "obscurity" in our hearts to NOT know what He is doing. This is a process, purpose and Plan of God that He alone can show or reveal to who HE chooses, His Ways and Thoughts. So the delusion that we have free moral agency is upon us all at first because God has bound us up in vanity according to HIS Purpose.
For me, Free Will is not the delusion. It is the IDOL of the wicked heart.
Arc.
AK4:
--- Quote from: winner08 on October 25, 2008, 01:27:22 AM ---I think free will is a great delusion but I do have to say hell is right up there.
Christian hell
Jewish hell
Islam hell
greek hell
hindu hell
babylonian hell
egyptian hell
these all preach the myth of hell, according to Ray. the christian hell is a christian hoax.
just a thought.
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Yes Ray mentions some but not all... For example reincarnation--some believe in that hell is now "hell on earth" or hell may be in that lifetime you are reincarnated until you learn your lesson. When Jesus came that was it... So in otherwords you can CHOOSE in that lifetime to come to Him or not by learning from your past from other lifetimes. Once again free will is put in the situation....
Christian hell---choose to come to God or not
Jewish hell---- same--and some other bizarre stuff i have heard
Islam hell--- Dont believe Jesus is the Son of God--they can choose that or not
greek hell---same as christian hell
hindu hell --can choose to follow budahs teachings or choose the alternative
babylonian hell---traditional christainity and all its nonsense
egyptian hell---same
Now atheists--- There is no God and if there was i wouldnt want to be forced to love him because that is not love
Same thing for agnostics, some catholics, protestants, new agers, etc
Islamists-- believe in hell-- but if they choose to serve only allah then heaven for them
And all other religions and their gods---- "if i choose to do what they want and honor the spirits" etc, etc
See it all falls under man "choosing" what they want or choosing what they think may be true
I am not preaching but did we choose to follow Rays teachings on our own?
Take away the illusion of free will and you only have one will---Gods
Beloved:
Hindu do not believe in Buddha, they believe in reincarnation into lower castes if bad higher one if you are good.
Arcturus hit the nail...it is the idol of your heart that is at work...even the atheist or philosopher who DO NOT believe in hell or free will, they themselves are deluded by themselves...they mistake knowledge for WISDOM.
(Isa 48:4) From my knowing that thou art obstinate, And a sinew of iron thy neck, And thy forehead brass,
(Isa 48:5) And I declare to thee from that time, Before it cometh I have caused thee to hear, Lest thou say, `Mine idol hath done them, And my graven image, And my molten image did command them.
(Isa 48:6) Thou hast heard, see the whole of it, And ye, do ye not declare? I have caused thee to hear new things from this time, And things reserved that ye knew not.
beloved
AK4:
As Ray pointed out look at Peter and Paul and the apostles---they thought they could do differently from Gods will. Pharaoh and king of babylon--which has prophetic implications
i could link link this with verses but there is no need to for us.
I guess my point is---with all that we have learned, what can not be linked to "free will"
You take away free will then what doctine can you come up with?
Nothing that i can think of. No thought can even be conceived of without "free will"
I am not saying we have free will. I am saying the illusion of it makes mankind come up with these convoluted ideas about Gods will. But if you takes away that "free will" you can only come up with the one WILL that is true.
Anthony
AK4:
--- Quote from: Beloved on October 25, 2008, 03:17:23 AM ---Hindu do not believe in Buddha, they believe in reincarnation into lower castes if bad higher one if you are good.
Arcturus hit the nail...it is the idol of your heart that is at work...even the atheist or philosopher who DO NOT believe in hell or free will, they themselves are deluded by themselves...they mistake knowledge for WISDOM.
(Isa 48:4) From my knowing that thou art obstinate, And a sinew of iron thy neck, And thy forehead brass,
(Isa 48:5) And I declare to thee from that time, Before it cometh I have caused thee to hear, Lest thou say, `Mine idol hath done them, And my graven image, And my molten image did command them.
(Isa 48:6) Thou hast heard, see the whole of it, And ye, do ye not declare? I have caused thee to hear new things from this time, And things reserved that ye knew not.
beloved
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Hinduism, Budism, Confusionism and what ever ism, they all basically believe in self. I do not debate the scriptures they are true. Yes it may be an idol of the heart and that is only proving my point. Free will has to be at least the strongest of the delusion--- i am not saying it is the only delusion.
Is there a stronger delusion than free will? Where free will has no play in it?
i am wanting to see if there is? So far i dont see that.
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