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What is the turth about Paul??
aqrinc:
Darren,
Yes there are people out there who say Paul was a heretic; you have been studying the Scriptures with a master teacher.
Next time the conversation comes up ask them to show you; in the Scriptures where Paul contradicts and for them to
please explain it. Notice how every Epistle of Paul starts and check all his teaching with the rest of Scripture; there are
no contradictions. Even all the other Apostles quickly put that very question to bed; do some reading and study of Acts
and your main questions will be answered.
II Timothy 3:16:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
II Peter 3:16:
As also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are
unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
Acts 13:45:
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spoke against those things which were spoken by Paul,
contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 15:22:
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul
and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brothers:
Peace, Love and knowledge Brother,
george.
WhoAmI:
Darren,
We all struggle with the scriptures. No one has it all figured out and the churches like to put a lot of emphasis on men and certain men of the bible. A lot of churches I attended acted like to question anyone in the bible was evil. They acted as if those people were somehow different than the rest of us. As someone already stated look at the before and after of Saul/Paul. One thing we need to keep in mind is that Moses and Paul maybe didn't speak the same way or know the same things but never the less God was directing them. Anyone who is skilled as a "mental lawyer" on dealing with the scriptures can cast doubt about anyones relationship with God. The more I learn I realize the LESS I have to do with anything. And even though I don't compare to Paul or should worry if I do, I have heard him speak about being the worst of sinners etc. I think he realized that it was about God and nothing about Him.
Jeff
Martinez:
There is a patton that I've noticed with people that hold this opinion about Paul.
They only see the letter and not the spirit.
They only compare physical with physical and not spiritual with spiritual.
Next time you talk to someone who holds this belief, just have a look at the understanding of all the scriptures and you'll see what I mean.
Samson:
--- Quote from: winner08 on October 25, 2008, 06:45:40 PM ---Today has been a very strange day. I have been discussing The apostle Paul with others and It seems to me that they think Paul was not a true apostle. One even called him a false prophet. I had to bite my tongue. I was shock because I never heard of this before. Then one said He(Paul) was not filled with the Holy Spirit and was a false prophet. Then One said what Paul taught was not of Christ teachings. Now I never heard of this I just to it for granted that Paul was an apostle of God and he taught what Jesus taught. What's going on? I know if It wasn't for the teachings of Paul the gentiles would be in trouble. Was it not he that taught us that one did not have to be a Jew to be a child of God? That one can be a spiritual Jew. They said most christisn teaching is of Paul not Jesus. Also that Paul taught that salvation is based on Jesus crucifixion and teach the trinity. Now I am not smart enough and God has not given me the wisdom to know these things. I fell in my heart this is a bunch of crap. But I don't know how to give an ansewer to this I believe lies. One even ask me how do I know that Paul was supported by the Holy Spirit? Man Should I even try? or just let it go. But I don't like it when I am question on my belief and I can't give an ansewer. Maby none is needed? Maby God don/t want me to If He did would He not givve me the wisdom to ansewer these kind of questions?
Darren
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Darren,
Like Rene said quoting Ray: " Paul was a Spiritual Giant " and wrote most of the New Testament. The person that stated to you that Paul was a Heretic; I wonder what Bible they were reading or not reading. Perhaps they were reading too much of the Apocrophal " New Testament. "
Also Paul is one of the best examples proving we don't have Free Will mentioned at Acts. chapter 9 and he was the worst of sinners prior to that, being changed by Christ in less than 10 seconds and as Ray has pointed out, never mentions Hell(Gehenna) in any of his writings. An important Doctrine and Idol of the Heart of Christendom and Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles, writing most of the New Testament, never mentions it.
Darren, I can appreciate why you had to " bite your tongue ", hopefully it didn't bleed too much; ;D
A lesson and training in the Art of Self-Control and Long Suffering, good example for us.
Kind Regards, Samson.
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: Martinez on October 25, 2008, 07:24:07 PM ---
Then you've got others that think that James was the Antichrist just because of the Babylonian heretic hero Martin Luther.
GGRRrrrrrrr!!! >:(
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I am going to correct the historic record here:
No - empathic Luther did not say James or such were wrong, Luther struggled with the words of James' espistle as the Church of Rome used the book of James against Grace and Justification by Faith in Jesus. He translated the epistle of James into common German language as the historic record shows despite Luther's own personal attacks from doctrinal obsessed Scholars of works to earn your salvation FROM then - you guessed it - the Babylonian system religious systems of 1500AD to 1600AD.
That is then a distortion of historical records. Luther often his vent his anger too far as it was DIRECTED at the Babylonian system of the day by calling the James espitle the "dunhill of the bible" in the hands of these scholars who wanted him dead and killed and to prove Rome was correct doctrinally.
I personally think Luther despite his errors was a ANTI-Babylonian hero[/b] considering he put the WORD of God for the first time in the hands of peasent Germans.
You will also note that Ray holds to a sympathetic approach in his writings to Luther as much he does the other mention cited here. On this issue having spent many years investigating earlier church fathers, I hold to a more modest account of historical records and not the rampant negativity on the internet.
Simply - Many Babylonian church systems of today HATE Luther - that is often an over looked reality.
Call to balance on such matters is in order.
digitalwise
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