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ScarletWren:
I was always under the impression that all believers in Jesus Christ are saints, that it is not some elevated, lofty position that some groups (such as the Catholics) like to bestow upon certain people. Even the elect are not elected on their own "merits", but by the purpose and calling of the Father and all their "good" works are/were authored and performed by Him.
Just my two cents worth, tho I'm sure it's not even worth that to many.
Martinez:
Benny Hinn must know who the saints are, He addresses them a lot.
:)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: EKnight on October 26, 2008, 12:06:08 PM ---So the elect?
And the saints will judge angels? What are angels?
Eileen
--- End quote ---
Here's an email from Ray regarding angels:
Hi Ray,
(Matthew 18:10 KJVA) Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
I have a question about guardian angels. Does scripture support this concept? What did Jesus mean by "their angels"?
Your brother,
Pat
[Ray Replies]
Dear Pat:
Interesting question!
The phrase "guarding angel" does not appear in Scripture. And, as you probably already know, a much better and more accurate translation for angels is "messengers."
Now then, do messengers "guard" us or anyone? Do they serve other functions a the behest of God?
Yes, they do. Here is a direct statement about just what messengers do:
"But to which of the angels [messengers] said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? Are they [messengers] not ALL MINISTERING SPIRITS, sent forth to MINISTER for THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION?"
So we all have "ministering spiritual ministers (angels--messengers) from heaven" performing many things in our behalf.
Notice that Jesus said in Matt. 18:10 that these angels "...always behold the face of My Father which is in heaven." The "face" is used in Scripture as that which is most intimate--the face houses the eyes which are the windows of the soul. The angels of heaven are most attentive to the very sincerest wishes of the Father. Next let's look at an example of just such an one actually performing a task on earth which came from the "face of the Father":
"And there appeared unto him [Zascharias--father of John Baptist] an ANGEL of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense... And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD [in the presence of HIS FACE]; and am SENT [they are MINISTERING spirits] to speak unto thee, and to show you these glad tidings" (Luke 1:11 & 19).
Now Gabriel is of pretty high rank, and as such may not be assigned to any one of us personally, but rather is used for the very most important messages. However, they are all ably trained to do their jobs. None has ever spoken to me directly... yet.
Now just because angels do not speak to us audibly and in plain sight, does not preclude that they do no continue ministering unto us to this very day.
Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
Marques
Beloved:
Here are all of the words used for Saint
G40 ἅγιος hagios hag'-ee-os
(an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.
G53 ἁγνός hagnos hag-nos'
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.
H2623 חסיד châsîyd khaw-seed'
From H2616; properly kind, that is, (religiously) pious (a saint): - godly (man), good, holy (one), merciful, saint, [un-] godly.
H6918 דשׁ קדושׁ qâdôsh qâdôsh kaw-doshe', kaw-doshe'
From H6942; sacred (ceremonially or morally); (as noun) God (by eminence), an angel, a saint, a sanctuary: - holy (One), saint.
H6944 קדשׁ qôdesh ko'-desh
From H6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstractly sanctity: - consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.
H4480 מנּי מנּי מן min minnîy minnêy min, min-nee', min-nay'
For H4482; properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of in many senses: - above, after, among, at, because of, by (reason of), from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.
If any one has a strong linked to the LXX they could look and see which of the above H (Hebrew) wrods was translated into the greek work Hagos
I think 'saints' is pointing to the called out, not the called...
However those called to Christ are therefore "clean" by the blood of jesus .....but not their feet....they are not following Christ in the Way , they have not died to self, and Christ in not working in them at this time.
If someone could find out the Septuagint with a stongs and what itsays it would be helpful...I need one of these on my Esword...so I can compare how the Jewish religious translated the Hebrew into Greek.
beloved
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: ScarletWren on October 26, 2008, 01:06:31 PM ---I was always under the impression that all believers in Jesus Christ are saints, that it is not some elevated, lofty position that some groups (such as the Catholics) like to bestow upon certain people. Even the elect are not elected on their own "merits", but by the purpose and calling of the Father and all their "good" works are/were authored and performed by Him.
Just my two cents worth, tho I'm sure it's not even worth that to many.
--- End quote ---
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Scarlet,
You are right when stating is is all of God and not some group who chooses to bestow themselves like the Catholics. But the position is without a doubt a lofty position as the saints shall REIGN with Christ upon his return and judge the rest of humanity to bring them into salvation. This is truly a high calling and lofty position:
Phil 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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