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Spirit and Soul
high pulpit:
I am definitely not a babe in Christ. I have pastored and taught very "apostically" for years until I realised the very many doctrinal errors in Mystery Babylon which cannot contain me now. Praise God, I stumbled upon L. Ray Smith and what fine teacher he is, but that does not mean we should assume that everything L. Ray Smith says or scripture-interprets should be regarded as 100% perfectly true. We should also bear in mind that the bible, literally as it is may not all be totally inspired and has a lot of tranlation errors.
I know this is one of the most intriguing topics which will open up a very full understanding of God, mankind and his plan. Let's not limit and short-circuit the great truth-seeking work the Lord has began with L. Ray Smith and with all of us.
God is SPIRIT, Jesus now is LIVING SPIRIT and we are created in His image and we can't just blow away interesting thoughts and views which also have some scriptural basis (if you have got deep enough into the things of God you will agree with me that the bible presents a very complex maze which leads to many viewpoints. God loves parables and we need and will always need His help to understand and that requires that we keep on searching and be ready to check and test and prove all things)
Let's just stick to the topic and give our thoughts and sciptural viewpoints.
If you want the full truth, you must continue to question. I believe God has set His revelation such that ... in that day (or could it be a personal attainment of a spiritual level?), we shall know Him even as we are known of Him. If you are not there yet (which I believe none of us is yet), continue to question the MASTER, my friends.
In the context of this topic and discussion,
Can someone explain, when Paul says: " If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit (is this breath?) prays but my understanding (is this not soul?) is unfruitful?
Thank You
Check on you tomorrow.
Love you ALL!!!
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: high pulpit on November 11, 2008, 05:18:52 AM ---I know this is one of the most intriguing topics which will open up a very full understanding of God, mankind and his plan. Let's not limit and short-circuit the great truth-seeking work the Lord has began with L. Ray Smith and with all of us.
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Excerpt from 'How the Forum is Moderated':
Ray does not cover all that is within scripture but what he does cover we believe to be true; as such we try our best to keep discussions centered on Ray’s teaching of the scripture and to keep out the leaven of other teachings. If we didn’t do this, how long do you think it would take for the forum to turn into chaos? Who would you trust to determine what is right? I say the Spirit revealed this to me and you say the Spirit revealed something entirely different, who do you trust? What of this scripture?
Many members have posted numerous references from Ray's papers & emails regarding soul, spirit, and body. If you do not agree wholeheartedly with them and believe the scriptures imply otherwise, why not email Ray? It's not about limiting the truth it's just no one here (that's I've read) has stated they are a teacher even on a lesser level than Ray. Your questions keep coming back to the same thing: they seem to imply that you think differently than what Ray has taught on using 1 or 2 scriptures here and there. That's fine, really it is. But the forum is not a place for members to teach each other Ray's teachings. It is a place for those to congregate when they do believe and understand.
Members here express their viewpoints in agreement with Ray's teachings. If they feel otherwise or feel lead to a deeper discussion of a subject that Ray has not touched on, they do not bring that to the forum. That is not the purpose of the forum. This is the #1 attribute that separates this forum from 'Christian' forums. Otherwise, believe it or not, chaos would ensue as any and everyone would be wanted to teach here. Again, that is not the purpose of the forum.
Please don't think that I wish to 'shut you down' or stop seeking after the Lord, it's just remember what the purpose of the forum is about. It's the same rules WE ALL AGREED UPON when we joined.
Thanks,
Marques
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: high pulpit on November 11, 2008, 05:18:52 AM ---
I am definitely not a babe in Christ. I have pastored and taught very "apostically" for years until I realised the very many doctrinal errors in Mystery Babylon which cannot contain me now. Praise God, I stumbled upon L. Ray Smith and what fine teacher he is, but that does not mean we should assume that everything L. Ray Smith says or scripture-interprets should be regarded as 100% perfectly true. We should also bear in mind that the bible, literally as it is may not all be totally inspired and has a lot of tranlation errors.
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I can agree that there are apparent contradictions and translation errors in the many versions of the Bible, but isn't a bit presumptuous to declare that these things were not inspired or preordained? Could man really do this of his own accord? I am not trying to be confrontational but can man do anything without God allowing it, can we thwart Him?
In regard to mistranlations could they be what Paul is speaking of here?
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The above verse would seem to fit with the following as well;
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book.
Paul wrote;
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
One could ask, so what is up with that? All of it is inspired yet we have this dire warning about adding or taking away from the Word? Is He in charge or what? As Ray brought up many times "if God had not allowed it than there would be no need for this declaration," so we must contemplate the purpose of His reason for allowing these mistranslations. It goes back to the bible being one big parable/riddle even sacred secret.
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
The other part of your statement I totally agree with is how God uses riddles and parables in speaking to his people, Ray goes so far to say the entire Bible is indeed a parable!
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries3466 of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see and hearing they might not understand.
(Personally I believe secret is a better translation than mystery)
G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or “mystery” (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.
Marques brought up a very important point in his response;
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on November 11, 2008, 06:12:45 AM ---
Members here express their viewpoints in agreement with Ray's teachings. If they feel otherwise or feel lead to a deeper discussion of a subject that Ray has not touched on, they do not bring that to the forum. That is not the purpose of the forum. This is the #1 attribute that separates this forum from 'Christian' forums. Otherwise, believe it or not, chaos would ensue as any and everyone would be wanted to teach here. Again, that is not the purpose of the forum.
Please don't think that I wish to 'shut you down' or stop seeking after the Lord, it's just remember what the purpose of the forum is about. It's the same rules WE ALL AGREED UPON when we joined.
--- End quote ---
Without a doubt this is very true, this Forum's purpose is to discuss the articles on Bible Truths, it is also true that once we weave away from the original intent of this guideline the debates, strife, accusations, hurt feelings, etc. take hold and spiritual edification is replaced by clashes of egos (the beast lives!).
It happens every time we moderators fail to address the issue as it begins to manifest itself. There is so much material we can discuss, ask questions about, expound upon and testify to the implications of or the life changing attributes they have produced.
I do not know of any serious member who does not verify the scriptures Ray quotes and blindly accepts everything written, but we have had many new folks come through here saying they do not agree 100% with what he has written. Actually there is no problem with disagreeing but if we follow the rules we have all agreed to when we joined those disagreements should be brought directly to Ray.
If anyone has a question or comment about the rules or a question about any articles on BT please feel free to PM me (or another moderator) and we will do the best we can in getting you an answer.
Peace,
Joe
high pulpit:
I'm still hoping to get some inputs on 1 Cor 14:10- where Paul states "my spirit prays, but mu uderstanding (which must be soul) is unfruitful" and he goes on to say "..I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also...)
I was reading Heb 4 yersterday and verse 12 talks about the division by the Word of God of and makes parallels (not equals) of the following:
Joints and Marrow
"="
Soul and Spirit
"="
Thoughts and Intents
Think about this.
Any inputs?
high pulpit:
Some few more thoughts:
*************Sorry Teaching not allowed*******************
Then, let's not shy away from understanding "spirit" !!!
Thank you.
On this topic, I think from now on I will proceed to send e-mails to Ray as I don't want to break any forum rules.
I would gladly welcome comments, inputs and any excerpts from Ray's teachings that would help me.
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