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Spirit and Soul
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---My dear brother, I endeavour to admonish you in the spirit of love.
And since you have so much knowledge, I am convinced that you know the following scriptures:
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I never stated I have so much knowledge nor even imply so. If I have, please direct me to my own words.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---You remind me of a time when I thought that I arrived!!!
Yes I was there, and by the grace of God I made it out.
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??? How so...what do you mean, 'thought I had arrived'?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---So, if I or ScarletWren are opposing ourselves, you as an older brother that you clearly are,
show us the love of Christ, and the goodness that is in you in Christ.
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Who stated that you are Scarlet Wren oppose yourself? Taking the time to assist with understanding scriptures and/or Ray's teaching is not love?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---I have an issue with your statements that you made earlier.
Namely:
"Try not to look at more than is in there... [Where are not looking for more than is in there, we are looking at WHAT IS IN THERE].
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You mean when I stated, "Try not to look for more than what's there"? The question was originally asked by you regarding 1 Thess 5:23 where Paul stated spirit, soul, and body. What I was stating is how does Paul listing these 3 does that automatically make man a 3 part being as your comments imply? If I was off-base, I apologize. If not, what are you implying then that you believe this 1 scripture contradicts the many that have been given by multiple members?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"...because you'll wrap your mind around countless speculations"[ questions are not speculations].
Wait, didn't you write this: "...the honor of the king is to search out a matter???? ??? ??? ???
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Searching out a manner compared to speculating on a forum devoted to going over spiritual truths (not speculations) is not the same. Please re-read the forum rules or the thread I created regarding observing these forum rules.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"...issues that which you'll eventually find out do not edify you in the lest" [ to labor to understand does not edify?????] :o :o
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Speculative discussions do not edify as those who speculate tend to hold onto their own pre-conceived belief and refuse to believe scriptures. How is attempting to justify your own personal beliefs edifying to anyone else?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"It's a road that leads to a dead end...."[I thought that we came to this site to learn, how is that a dead end?????]
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We all have come here to learn...not to debate topics that Ray and others have went over extensively. As I stated elsewhere, when a counsel of members are giving a member scripture upon scripture with Ray's teachings and that member still does not 'get it', maybe that member needs to read and study more instead of arguing or making fruitless points.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"...you may not completely understand yet......" [you assumed that we are babes] :-[ :-[
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No, I don't...I assume when someone asks questions and/or continue to imply contrary to what is being taught on BT, then that person HAS NOT READ NOR STUDIED Ray's teachings. Which is the complete opposite of what the forum rules state.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"....to falling into carnal activity." Beloved brother, THAT is the very words that does not edify. Dangerous stuff to tell a brother!!!!
And since when, since we are so stupid in the things of God, and clearly babes by your standard, is wrong to ask questions???
Is that carnal???
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Doctrine speculation is a carnal activity...does the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth or rampant speculation? Is it the spirit of God that makes you want to know any and every doctrine issue RIGHT NOW without taking the time to read and study or is it your own carnal reasoning?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---"Personally, I would think [ I knew a wise man that said: Wait for thought, for you are not ready for thought] it would be
better to continue to seek understanding [ that was pricelees ;) ;) ;) WE ARE SEEKING UNDERSTANDING!!!] than to entertain speculative premises with no scriptural/spiritual connotation. [Thank God you put us in our place!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D]
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Continue to belittle me if you wish...expressing my personal thought is not meant to 'put one in their place'.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---And since we are so ignorant and dare to formulate, hmmmm, how did you call it? "rampart speculations", we better get to work and
read again Ray's writings.
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I have never called a brother or sister on the forum 'ignorant'. If you are truly going to continue to read and study Ray's teachings, good. But if you are just patronizing because you disdain my words, oh well...
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---In conclusion, dear brother you clearly opposing YOURSELF with your own words.
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Which words are those?
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---Furthermore, you remind me of a parrot that I had named Jenny. Before she flew away, she learned the sound
of the bark of my dogs!!!Isn't that something?
You repeatedly direct us to Ray's teaching?
What are you afraid of???????
For the love of God [like my ten year old says ], do you think that the moderators of this forum
can't stand a challenge if one of us did not understand or question Ray's teachings???
If Ray is a man of God [I'm sure he is] and a wonderful teacher [clearly] and full of God's wisdom [nobody can convince me otherwise],
along with all the moderators [which have studied his work and the word for a long time] we [in our folly] are no surprise to them.
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1. I direct you to Ray's teachings because I am not a teacher and even if I were, the forum is not for teaching.
2. Why would I be afraid?
3. The purpose of the mods is not to 'challenge' and debate with members. Your very words speak of your intentions.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe we are only in the beginning, and we have been starved for a long time, and by coming here hungry for the truth, also bring our churchite baggage with us, we looking to you to [IN LOVE] [is it there another right way???] to direct us as little disciples???
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I speak very direct but that does not mean it is not 'in love'. The truth grinds on people's ears and hearts...this discussion is another example.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---Or, did you stop to think [between those blows with the bible over our heads], that maybe this brother that dare to , how did you say it?
"speculate", does not have all the time in the world to read as he would like to??
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Now scripture are blows to your head? I thought scripture was for reproof and correction. Do you not believe these words that Paul was inspired to say?
What does not having time to read and study have to do with arguing against or implying differently than what is being taught on BT? You have time to post...make time to read and study the scriptures and Ray's teachings.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---If you are here for a long time [which I see you are], did you ask yourself what image you portray to us that just got here looking for the love, direction, mercy, patience and the such??
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You don't want direction...you state that that is only 'parroting' what we heard.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---If this people are all like you [which there are not] then I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE!!!!!
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This is the pride issue that Dennis mentioned with those who have left in the 'Where are they now' thread. History repeats itself indeed...
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---Now, beloved brother, I lift you to the Lord, and I pray for you.
I've been where you are.
I've done the same thing!!!!
I thought that if I teach doctors the latest in emergency medicine, and they looked at me with a dropped jaw, for the knowledge that I possess, I have arrived!!!!
Let the one that thinks he is wise become a fool, that he might be wise.
God made a fool out of me!!!
BLESSED BE HIS HOLY NAME FOREVER!!!!
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Whenever we rely on our own carnal reasoning, we make a fool out of ourselves. God does not need to help us in that department at all.
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 07, 2008, 12:02:42 PM ---P.S. I am studying the issue of spirit, soul and body. We will get to the bottom of this.
Don't be afraid to make mistakes.
The truth will stand no matter what we say or think.
Dare to be who you really are and these people in this forum [if they have God's love] they will still love you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am who God has made me to be...and you are offended. You resist direction and correction because you would rather we all indulge in your own pre-conceived beliefs. No thank you...
Marques
Dennis Vogel:
Marques and Ariel,
Please continue this in private emails or PM's.
Dennis
hammerandnails:
Dear brother Marques,
You are fighting a lost battle!
Yea, your are the one that lost.
And since I clearly see now that I have more sense that you, I will end this now,
without going any further.
But not before I make the following statements:
This is the conclusions that I arrived [from your posts only] as I ponder on this issue:
1. That if we don't know Ray's teaching in depth, I have two options:
A: You have no business here in the league with the the VERY ELECT which you PROFESS to be
or
B: If we want to be here, fake and pretend that you know.
2. How easy is to turn into a Pharisee.
3. That I can exchange the mask that I had in the church for a new one.
4. How hard if for man to admit that they made a mistake.
5. How easy is lose the love for our fellow man.
Thanks be unto God, that he left checks and balance in 1Cor 13.
If I were you [I was you, but no longer] I would go and read again the above chapter.
You enlisted the Lord Jesus as talking with authority.
Are you implying that you are like Him?
Because, as far as I know my Jesus, he also had love and tenderness, which you, my brother are devoid of.
Furthermore,
My Master Jesus made these statements:
"But it shall not be so among you: but WHOSOEVER will be GREAT among you,
let him be your servant;
And whosoever will be chief among you, let him become your servant:
EVEN AS THE SON OF MAN CAME NOT TO BE MINISTERED TO, BUT TO MINISTER,
AND TO GIVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR MANY."
Clearly you are great, but you remained a Pharisee!!
Do you remember the parable with the servant where the master had forgiven a large debt
than he turned around and he was unforgiven to the one who was owing him a smaller debt? [Mathew 18:23-35]
Do you remember what that lord did to the unforgiving servant?
Yea, that one, you got it!!
Now, my question is this:
Who died and make you moderator?
Or you think that if a brother or sister "rambles" are they[the moderators] not capable to admonish that one?
I did not hear anything from them!!
Hmmmmmm, I wonder why???
Because THEY ARE WISE AND KNOW THE LOVE OF GOD!!!
I said some stupid and idiotic things, but Kat direct me gently towards the truth.
And I got it!!! ;D ;D
The word of God said that mercy and truth had kissed eachother, not just truth.
I am appalled at your attitude!!!
If this is what I should look forward to, I don't want it!!!
I might as well throw away all the teachings that I printed and rely on the Spirit of truth to teach me.
You talk about the whore of Babylon, but if you continue like that you're no better. :'( :'( :'(
So, let me leave you with this:
If myself or my brother Scarlet made a mistake, you that are so wise should have caused us to see the way.
But wait, what scripture I know that reflects that??
"But if you have stood in my counsel, and had caused My people to hear my
words, then THEY SHOULD HAVE ------TURNED---------FROM THEIR EVIL WAY
and from the evil of their doings."
Clearly you have not cause us to turn, but beat us with a rod of your authority!!! :'( :'( :'(
I ask for your forgiveness if I stepped on some of your holy toes, and I pray that God will heal your toes.
I also pray that if I am wrong to humble me in front of you all!!!
And if he does, it will be His will and for my benefit.
There are no coincidences, right??
So, if this happened, it happened for a reason, IT IS THE WILL OF GOD!!!
Therefore, is either me that I need humbling or you.
If I am the one, I bow my head to the Lord any day.
If you ......only the Lord knows!!!
I forgive you, and let you have the last word.
I will not bring up this matter unless the moderators ask me to.
Grace, love and peace in the Lord Jesus Christ! ;D
Ariel
indianabob:
From Indiana bob
Copyright Leslie A Turvey, 2008
The apostle Paul wrote, “Be angry, but sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath (Ephesians 4:26).”
The Good News Bible says it this way, “If you become angry, do not let your anger lead you into sin, and do not stay angry all day.”
Many people think Paul’s admonition, “let not the sun go down upon your wrath,” means don’t go to bed angry. That’s good advice, because your unresolved anger will cause you to toss and turn all night, and in the morning you’ll wonder if you slept at all.
But note what the GNB says: “do not stay angry all day.” God’s days begin at sunset, so if you hang on to your anger when the sun goes down, you’re actually carrying it into another day. And, if that day, then likely another and another and so on.
Two farmers, Tom and Ed, had been good neighbours for many years, but one day, while Tom was hunting, he accidentily killed one of Ed’s pigs.
Now, if Ed had been a bible-abiding man he would have done what Jesus commanded in Matthew 18:15, “If someone does you wrong, go and discuss the matter with him.” But instead, Ed chose to shoot one of Tom’s sheep.
There’s a wise saying, “When you seek revenge, dig two graves.” And Ed’s revenge caused many more graves to be dug. Some were for livestock, but the feud escalated until family members became targets, and eventually Tom and Ed were laid to rest.
Years later only one son from each family remained. One day the two met in town, and each drew his gun. Then, after a short standoff one fellow put his gun back into its holster: the other did likewise. The townsfolk were astounded to see the two men shaking hands, and going together for a beer.
What made the difference? They both realized the cause of the feud had long been forgotten, and their deaths would solve nothing. So, although it was way too late, the feud was finally called off.
Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night begins, “If music be the food of love, play on.” An opposite to that might be, “If anger be the food of feuds, stop playing.” Too often anger over rather insignificant matters leads to reprisals and feuds.
Christians don’t get into shoot-em-up feuds, of course, but too many Christians carry on feuds of words. Sometimes it’s open argument between two people, but more often it’s a matter of sniping: a cutting word here; a sideway glance there. Naturally the two parties have their cohorts, and whispers and finger-pointing take place.
Here’s a revelation for you: the same things took place in the early Christian churches. The apostle Paul must have seen it in the congregation at Ephesus because he wrote, “I plead with you that your life measures up to the standard God set when he called you, always being humble, gentle, and patient. Express your love by being tolerant of each other, and do all you can to preserve peace and unity (Ephesians 4:1-3) which is a fruit of the spirit (Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:9).” He continued, “Get rid of all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and shouting, and insults, and hateful feelings. Be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you (Ephesians 4:31-32).” Remember, Jesus says we’re to ask God to forgive us, in the same way, and in the same measure, that we forgive others (Matthew 6:12; Luke 11:4).
So we have God’s command that we put our guns back into their holsters, shake hands, and go together in peace.
Beloved:
(Php 2:1) If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
(Php 2:2) Fulfill ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
(Php 2:3) Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
(Php 2:4) Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
(Php 2:5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
beloved
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