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Spirit and Soul
winner08:
sansmile as I was reading you post my keen eyes caught something you said. A dead person can not experience anything. Not pleasure in Heaven or pain in a fable hell. is not (IN HEAVEN) a fable also? Is there such a place where a soul would go after death? No. No big deal maby I just misunderstood. It wouldn't be the first time or the last.
Darren
winner08:
I have always took it as the spirit is what gives life to us and soul is what we are. Did not God say that man was formed out of the dust and He (God) breath breath into the mold and it became a living soul? When we die our spirit goes back to God. WOW does this mean that anything alive has a spirit?
Trees
grass
flowers
birds and animals all have a spirit in them?
rocks, dirt, mountains, and such do not?
do bugs and insects have a spirit. or just man?
If spirit is the breath of God that allowed us to become living creatures then would not everything living have the breath of God in them?
Just a thought, probable wrong. it would not be the first. or the last.
Darren
Kat:
Hi Kevin,
--- Quote ---I am trying to understand the difference between 'spirit' and 'soul.
Now my understanding was the 'spirit' is not us, it is not our personality. That is what the soul is. But how can a spirit have understanding?
Or am I confusing the term 'spirit'? What is 'spirit' or 'man's spirit' exactly?
--- End quote ---
I have found a number of emails that should help with your questions.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,240.0.html ---
It is true that we all speak of "THE soul" as if there is a separate entity inside of our body that is called "the soul." Not true. Without the spirit there is NO SOUL. Without the body there is NO SOUL. Take a blue piece if transparent plastic or cellophane. Place it half way over a same size piece of yellow cellophane. You will have blue on one side, yellow on the other, and GREEN in the middle. The blue is the body, the yellow is the spirit, and the GREEN IS THE SOUL. Notice that there is NO SOUL without the blue body and the yellow spirit. Separate the blue and yellow cellophane and the GREEN soul disappears. This is exactly how the human soul must be combined with a body and spirit, or IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. They are very closely related and appear to overlap, but there are distinction between soul and spirit. Understood? Good.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,118.0.html ---
until recent years, referred to man as having three "components"--body, soul, and spirit. NOT TRUE. Man is made of TWO components--body and spirit. God never put a soul into Adam. The soul of man is not a component, but rather the product of two combined components, namely: body and spirit. God formed man's body out of the ground. He then breathed into this body the breath of life (spirit), and the MAN, not some separate component, but the man became a "LIVING SOUL." The soul is not the living soul, but rather the man is the living soul. There is no soul without the body of man. Understood? God is not a trinity and neither is man a trinity.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,655.0.html ---
The consciousness is not in the body, and it is not in the spirit. The consciousness of man is in his soul, and his soul is resultant outcome of our spirit being united with a body. God breathed the breath and spirit of life into the man formed from the dust of the ground, and the man then BECAME a living soul. He BECAME conscious of his own being. At death we are no longer conscious of our being or our death. Our spirit must be reunited with a new body in resurrection before we will regain the soul and consciousness that we had before we died.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3617.0.html ---
Man is "made up" as you put it of body and spirit. Soul is not an ingredient. Soul is the RESULT of uniting the spirit with the body. God made man of the dust of the ground and breathed His spirit into Adam, and then Adam BECAME A LIVING SOUL. God did not put "a soul" inside of Adam. When men die, the spirit returns to God, for spirit does not die. The body returns to the dust of the ground. The soul goes (that is ceases) to exist and is said to be in "sheol" or "hades" which is the realm of death, it is not a geographical location. Man has no memory or thoughts in death (Ecc. 9:5, etc., etc.).
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1675.0.html ---
Yes, there is a spirit in man (AND ALL ANIMALS). Nothing can live without "spirit." Spirit IS life (Ecc. 8:8; Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; I Cor. 2:11; etc.). There is no consciousness in our spirit alone. There is only consciousness (soul) when man's spirit is combined with a body. God retains our spirit until resurrection when He puts our spirit into a new body and we once again become conscious or receive back the quality of "soul." We are said to have new "spiritual" bodies, not that we are made "spirits."
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,644.0.html ---
Don't make up phrases such as you have: "In spirit will I know myself?" There is no such thing as "being in your spirit." As a "being" you need a body. When your body dies, your "being" dies, your soul is gone (to the unseen, imperceptible--there is NO perception in death: not in your body, not in your soul, and not in your spirit). No one can live without a body. When our spirit is combined with a body, then and ONLY THEN do we have "soul" which is consciousness. At death no one has consciousness, or it wouldn't be death.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3933.0.html ---
At death, our spirit returns to God, but the spirit has not consciousness. The consciousness is called "soul," but the soul dies at death, and the body returns to the dust. In resurrection God puts our spirit back into a NEW body and we once again experience soul--life and animation.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3253.0.html ---
No, sheol is not the grave. There is another word for grave. Sheol is the "state" or "realm" or "condition" of the dead. And the spirit is not the soul. The spirit does not have consciousness. The spirit cannot think thoughts, and that is why our "thoughts perish" at death according to David. Our spirit as well as Christ Spirit had to be reunited with a BODY before we or He would have consciousness again. Jesus was DEAD for three days, not "absent from the body" for three days.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1594.0.html ---
Every person (and animal) has a "spirit." There is no life without spirit. At death OUR spirit return to our God Who gave it to us. Spirit does not die. But, spirit has no consciencousness of its own. It must be united with a body. That is why there is coming a Resurrection of the DEAD. Adam's body had the spirit of God breathed into it and then Adam became a LIVING SOUL. God's Holy Spirit is His Spirit of Holiness which imparts spiritual knowledge and spiritual character to those who possess it. The wicked and unbelievers have a spirit that keeps them alive, but they have no spiritual perception of spiritual truths because they do not possess the Holy Spirit of God living in us through Jesus Christ our Lord. ETc. Sorry, but it would take days to answer your question in detail.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4176.0.html ---
ALL men (and animals) have a spirit. This spirit gives life to the body and produces soul (feelings, thinking, emotions, etc.). But God dwells in our hearts and minds by way of His HOLY Spirit, which is a different spirit.
God be with you,
Ray
aqrinc:
Kat,
Thank you for those excerpts, all together they make it quite clear that: body + Spirit (breath of life) = living soul.
The sum of the parts is two, the result of mixing the two is (one living soul). Separate the two and there is then
no (living soul), in laymans terms flour and water make (dough) when mixed together, flour without water is flour
and water without flour is water (no dough). That is my simplistic explanation for a very complex Scientific
Accomplishment, of course take it far enough and the analogy will break down.
george. ???
high pulpit:
I still have some questions and need some help here.
I believe the best way to understand us is to look at Jesus.
Right now He is Spirit, right, Living (life-giving) Spirit. Is there any soul about him now? as the first Man was a living soul? Of course He, the Living Spirit, was conscious (soul) of himself after the ressurrection.
We came through the first Man and are living souls but there is a development taking place, the salvation that is to make us like Him.The bible says we shall be like Him and one in/with Him. The Second Man is Spirit, as God is Spirit and definitely is conscious. So can we really say spirit is not conscious or should we say Spirit is/will be God, very part of God who we are returning to and we will be conscious (soul) of ourselves yet of God and in God and one with God and as God??? Also check where God mentions His soul in eg. "My soul shall have no pleasure in him....'
Help me somebody, if you can, with these thoughts.
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