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Spirit and Soul
Akira329:
Hey High Pulpit,
I think you should reread sansmile post.
was a very good post!
body + spirit = living soul (the result of the two)
"spiritual" body + spirit = living soul (the result of the two)
Whats different? immortality
Scriptures do say God has a soul.
Check out 1 Corinthians 15 the whole chapter!
Hope this helps your understanding.
Antaiwan
hammerandnails:
Hi, everybody!
Being that this is a subject of great importance for me, I still have some questions.
1. The explanations that you gave above make sense to a degree, and are scriptural,
however, to me they seem general for the entire humanity. Now if we are separated and
be a "peculiar people", where all these leave the "elect ones"??In which way are we different from
a person without Christ??
2. If we are the same, can someone explain to me the "inner man of the heart"?
" For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet
the inward man is renewed day by day." 2Cor.4:16
which is a spiritual match with: (I believe)
"But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that which
is not corruptible even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit ,
which is in the sight of God of great price." 1Pet.3:4
Who is this "inner man" and why is of great price in the sight of God?
3. As I studied the Tabernacle of Moses (not extensively), and if the Tabernacle be Christ,
why the Tabernacle has 3 parts? Outher court, Holy Place and Holy of Holies?
Why God instructed Moses to start with the Ark of the Covenant first, then
the rest.
4. What is "Christ in you the hope of glory" Col.1:27?
Or maybe should I ask where?
I am sorry, I am new at this forum and to the Truth, as now I am trying to unlearn
the things that I learned in the "church".
Sorry if I have so many questions. I just want to understand. ???
It was simple to me before where I understood that man has three parts, body
soul and spirit, as matched by the tabernacle which has 3 parts, the outher court,
Holy Place and Holy of Holies, the antichrist (which I know now is me) his number was
666, which is the number of man, which matches humanity, namely man body, man soul,
man spirit, that only when you ad The One, Christ we can become 777, which is the
number of completion, without Him we are just 666, etc.
Thank you and I am grateful for shedding some light in my darkness! :-[
Love in Christ
Ariel
Kat:
Hi hammerandnails,
I think the answer to your questions is the God has begotten the Elect with the Holy Spirit of Christ, which makes them a "peculiar people."
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Col 1:27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
A few He chooses out of the called to receive the Holy Spirit, that's what makes them different. Only those that He chooses have their eyes opened to these truths, which are "the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles." With Christ in you, then you begin understanding God's plan and purpose - hope. We are begotten now, but have hope, if we are faithful to the end, of becoming full fledged sons at the resurrection.
Here is an email about sonship.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4452.msg34236.html#msg34236 ----
Webster's New Twenteth Century Dictionary Unabridged:"sonship"--"the STATE OF BEING A SON"
Romans 8:15....
"But you have received a spirit of SONSHIP" (Rotherham's Emphasized Bible)
"...but a Spirit which makes us SONS" (The New English Bible)
"...you have received the Spirit of SONSHIP" (Moffatt Translation)
"...you received the Spirit of SONSHIP" (New International Version)
"...but you received a Spirit of SONSHIP" (Emphatic Diaglott).
"...but you got the spirit of SONSHIP" (Concordant Literal New Testament) Etc.
We are not merely adopted into the Family of God, but rather God has "BEGOTTEN us" [Gk: 'beget, be born--regenerate']" (I Pet. 1:3). And: "Being BORN AGAIN [same Greek word], not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God..." (Verse 23).
No, our final destination is to be BORN into the Kingdom of God, not just an "adoption." Some bibles do not ever use the word "adoption." Even if we were to accept these Scriptures as "adoption," we still have the added knowledge that we are to be BORN into the Kingdom of God.
We are all "called," but is that our final destiny? No, there is also (in addition to the called) those called ones who are CHOSEN, and even among the chosen, there must be the FAITHFUL (Rev.17:14). Judas was called and chosen, but he was NOT FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END!!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
legoman:
Hi Kat,
If I can just clarify (and ask for clarification), there are 2 different spirits we are talking about here.
ALL men who are living have spirit (God's breath of life), otherwise they would not be alive.
However a small subset have the Holy Spirit, which gives them understanding and a knowledge of the truth. Am I correct on this?
Just clarifiying, because when discussing this with mainstream Christians, it seems like they lump the two together. As in, when someone dies, if they have the holy spirit they go to heaven (because the spirit returns to God), but if they don't have the holy spirit they go to hades (hell) because they don't have a spirit or are spiritually dead (ie. no holy spirit).
It all becomes a big jumbled kerfuffle if you think of it as all one spirit, but I think thats what the majority of people believe.
Just trying to sort it out for myself. The breath of life is not the holy spirit.
Kevin
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: legoman on November 03, 2008, 02:08:30 PM ---Just clarifiying, because when discussing this with mainstream Christians, it seems like they lump the two together.
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--- Quote from: legoman on November 03, 2008, 02:08:30 PM ---It all becomes a big jumbled kerfuffle if you think of it as all one spirit, but I think thats what the majority of people believe.
--- End quote ---
They do not have a knowledge of the truth nor do they want to hear it. They lump all kinds of beliefs together and always come out sounding confusing. You could be the most eloquent man on earth and it wouldn't make a difference. A blind person cannot see...
--- Quote from: legoman on November 03, 2008, 02:08:30 PM ---Just trying to sort it out for myself. The breath of life is not the holy spirit.
--- End quote ---
Exactly
Marques
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