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Chastening
Richard D:
George.
This is too funny to be on the general board. George, if you tell me who the Mote is I’ll tell you who the beam is, of course in God’s love my brother. :)
Darren, I think they picking on us now………………..LOL ;D
In God’s Love. Richard.
aqrinc:
Brothers and Sisters,
We all have mahogany LOGS in our eyes :-[, it looks like my brethren has a mote in their eye that i need to clear.
In reality it is a mahogany LOG also. My log is so blocking my vision that their log looks like a mote.
I write in the Spirit on this as God makes it plain that the accuser is trying His best to deceive us; His (God's)
Little ones.
Brings us back to the reason for chastening that we may know that we are all fallen and He Only
can Fix our condition. Now what i really dread is if and when i have to be scourged (That really will hurt).
george.
winner08:
Yes Richard D. I understand what you are saying. I think I just read something into it that I shouldn't have Sorry.
aqrinc:
These are a few more verses that are pulled from different passages of Scripture. Chastening By God is
shown through the Scriptures as a necessary part of humanity living and learning to do Right In The Sight
Of God. Each of the verses has the same message yet show a different part of the ongoing process of our
condition from rebel to redeemed. There really is a lot more to learn in each Word and sentence of Scripture.
Deuteronomy 11:2:
And know all of you this day: for I speak not with your children which have not known, and which have not seen
the chastisement of the LORD your God, his greatness, his mighty hand, and his stretched out arm,
Job 34:31:
Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more:
Psalms 94:10:
He that chastises the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teaches man knowledge, shall not he know?
Isaiah 53:5:
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was
upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Jeremiah 31:18:
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; You have chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock
unaccustomed to the yoke: turn you me, and I shall be turned; for you are the LORD my God.
Hebrews 12:6:
For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.
Hebrews 12:8:
But if all of you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are all of you b astards, and not sons.
george.
20en^y:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 08, 2008, 08:11:14 AM ---
Hi George,
I came across this and thought it would fit right into this thread.
http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html -------------------------
GRACE AND JUDGMENT
"For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS ..." (Heb. 12:6).
There is no escaping it. If you are to be a "son of God" you will be chastened. Now I don’t want to pile too much on you at once here, but there’s more. As you can see from the definition above, the word "chastened" is paideuo, and is not too severe. Even if involving some punishment, the whole thrust of the word is to train, educate, discipline, instruct, etc. These are all good things not to be feared. But there is more, so we might just as well read it and get our attitudes adjusted to it. The rest of the verse:
"For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS, and [AND] ... SCOURGES every son whom He receives [or is assenting]" (Heb. 12:6)
"SCOURGES?" No, not scourging! Does God show His love toward us by scourging us? It is absolutely necessary. Scourging is definitely even more severe and harsh than chastening.
The word "scourge" in Heb. 12:6 is from the Greek word mastigoo and here’s its definition: "to flog (literally or figuratively) -- scourge" Strong’s Greek Dictionary, page 46. And what does "flog" mean?
"flog 1. To beat severely with a whip or rod." Page 531 American heritage College Dictionary.
This word "scourge" in Heb. 12:6 which God performs on us, is the very same word found in John 19:1 where it says they took Jesus and "scourged" Him. Now then, will God literally "BEAT SEVERELY WITH A WHIP OR ROD" every son that He receives? No, not necessarily, even though they did literally do so to Paul and many other followers of Jesus Christ. Remember that the definition said it can be "literal OR figurative."
Many people have come to know Christ in their senior years, and God does not literally beat every little old lady with whips and rods when they turn to Him. However, the chastening of God’s grace which we read about in Titus 2:11 can certainly seem like a real flogging. God will chasten us until He drives out the beast in us. The beast of supposed "free will" which is really self-will does not want to leave peaceably! It takes the very presence of Jesus Christ to dispel the beast of humanistic self-determinism, commonly called "free will."
Although we are not condemned when God judges us, we nonetheless must be chastened.
"If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not? But if you be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are you ********, and NOT sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection into the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but He for OUR PROFIT, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but GRIEVOUS: nevertheless afterward it yields the PEACEABLE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby" (Heb. 12:7--11).
So it is essential that we accept God’s chastisement which is how He "judges" us.
The reason we are not "condemned" with the world is because we accept God’s judgment in our lives
"There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:1).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thanks Kat, share those revalations with you, thanks for putting them together for me. peace in CHRIST
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