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Chastening
Kat:
Hi George,
I came across this and thought it would fit right into this thread.
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GRACE AND JUDGMENT
"For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS ..." (Heb. 12:6).
There is no escaping it. If you are to be a "son of God" you will be chastened. Now I don’t want to pile too much on you at once here, but there’s more. As you can see from the definition above, the word "chastened" is paideuo, and is not too severe. Even if involving some punishment, the whole thrust of the word is to train, educate, discipline, instruct, etc. These are all good things not to be feared. But there is more, so we might just as well read it and get our attitudes adjusted to it. The rest of the verse:
"For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS, and [AND] ... SCOURGES every son whom He receives [or is assenting]" (Heb. 12:6)
"SCOURGES?" No, not scourging! Does God show His love toward us by scourging us? It is absolutely necessary. Scourging is definitely even more severe and harsh than chastening.
The word "scourge" in Heb. 12:6 is from the Greek word mastigoo and here’s its definition: "to flog (literally or figuratively) -- scourge" Strong’s Greek Dictionary, page 46. And what does "flog" mean?
"flog 1. To beat severely with a whip or rod." Page 531 American heritage College Dictionary.
This word "scourge" in Heb. 12:6 which God performs on us, is the very same word found in John 19:1 where it says they took Jesus and "scourged" Him. Now then, will God literally "BEAT SEVERELY WITH A WHIP OR ROD" every son that He receives? No, not necessarily, even though they did literally do so to Paul and many other followers of Jesus Christ. Remember that the definition said it can be "literal OR figurative."
Many people have come to know Christ in their senior years, and God does not literally beat every little old lady with whips and rods when they turn to Him. However, the chastening of God’s grace which we read about in Titus 2:11 can certainly seem like a real flogging. God will chasten us until He drives out the beast in us. The beast of supposed "free will" which is really self-will does not want to leave peaceably! It takes the very presence of Jesus Christ to dispel the beast of humanistic self-determinism, commonly called "free will."
Although we are not condemned when God judges us, we nonetheless must be chastened.
"If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not? But if you be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are you ********, and NOT sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection into the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but He for OUR PROFIT, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but GRIEVOUS: nevertheless afterward it yields the PEACEABLE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby" (Heb. 12:7--11).
So it is essential that we accept God’s chastisement which is how He "judges" us.
The reason we are not "condemned" with the world is because we accept God’s judgment in our lives
"There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:1).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
aqrinc:
Thanks Kat,
Yes i do have those Scriptures in my heart every second of the day. I am learning like Paul to
have real Joy when chastening comes because i know that God is really Doing His Work In and
On me. I thank each and every Brother and Sister for being just so and Give Thanks to God
The Father And Our Lord Jesus Christ in Great Joy for His Love and Mercies and Adoption.
Peace and Power and Glory and Love,
george.
Richard D:
I hear much talk about chastisement on this thread and was wondering what really constitutes chastisement?
It must be something uncomfortable as to get one’s attention as to cause one to think about one’s actions in a way to persuade change of heart.
Is the chastisement from God uncommon from that which all of humanity goes through?
Can one point out any type of chastisement from God and say this is happening as a result from some wrong doing one has done?
Example, a believer does something not right and losses their job but a non believer does something wrong and losses their job.
How can one with certainty say they are being chastened by God without doubt?
In God’s Love. Richard.
Stevernator:
Sometimes I think about things I have done in the past and realize that what I did was wrong. Can you imagine how Peter felt running to meet the Lord Jesus after He was resurrected. I listened to a preacher on the radio who was talking about how maybe Peter went out first to meet Him before the others to get his rebuke over with so he would be back in His grace.
Heb 11
24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
When I was reading the letter to the Hebrews that last verse really connected to me. I liked thinking about Moses deciding to endure the chastising of Christ and enduring affliction with his people rather than live a life of carnal luxury.
Marlene:
Wow, that is an awesome verse. Makes you think for sure. You know, I often thought how could anyone with so many blessings as we have in the USA ever be saved . I know the verse that with God all things are possible. Its like someone once on here told me. To think we have many more things to overcome. Everyday, I realize this.
In His Love,
Marlene
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