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23 Minutes In Hell.
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 10, 2008, 04:42:08 PM ---
Hi David,
--- Quote ---eternal hell is far and away the most despicible hate filled vile lie that mankind has ever concieved of, it surpasses all wickedness.
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I agree. What has occurred to me is that our loving Father has created for us in this life a fail-safe to keep humans from suffering too much. And that is of course death, we can only suffer so much and the body dies. He could have designed us to live a certain amount of years, but no this way assures no one suffers beyond a certain degree.
No wonder people fear dying so much, the church has proclaimed to the whole world this most vile doctrine against our loving Father. How could anyone love a God they believe capable of creating a hell?? They accuse Him of something we have proof He does not do here, in the actual fact that people's suffering ends and they die.
I am so very thankful that I do not hold this horrific notion of my Father in my mind. What a tremendous blessing to know the truth and it does set one free to know how truly loving and wonderful our Father really is.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hey Kat your comment brings Psalm 90:10 to mind:
Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Antaiwan
Marlene:
Hello All, I have to share this with you. Friday night I was in reading Ray's papers. He gave a verse that basically says it all. I had been talking with an older neice last night. She knows, I do not go to church anymore. Also, she knows I believe in salvation of all. I also, have a friend who had left my old church because of how the pastor was treating people . She calls me often and one night I shared this with her. She is so interested in doing some studies of Rays papers and Bible Studies with My Mother, Husband and Me.
Any ways this is the verse that really did it for my friend, and mother, and husband. It is one Ray said, "You will never hear them preach on."
John 12 verse 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world , but to save the world.
Well, last night I got to read this to a older neice who went to two years of Liberty University and had to leave because my father who was the only father she ever knew passed and she was not able to handle it. My sister had been raped and this is how her birth came about. So, she lived 11 years with me so that she could get a good job. I had her look that scripture up and she believed it. I told her I could give her many scriptures. Last night I shared that verse with a friend from my old church and she believes it.
To night my younger niece who is 21 called me. Her Dad has been ill for last 7 months. Tonight, he passed away. She called me wanting to talk to me. He is divorced from my sister he had been abusive to my sister, cheated on her and also mistreated my neice. She still loves her Dad and they had made amends. Even, my sister cried at his death. Well, tonight I was able to share with my neice whose father just passed away. She passed out when he died. I believe God had be rereading that paper so that I could share with all of those people.
My neices all want to read his papers and learn all of the verses of salvation for all. I was so blessed to comfort her tonight. Plus, it gave her great hope. I told her just like we love people who hurt us, our Father loves us even more. I know that God planned me to talk to my friend, both of my neices and it has also helped my sister who is paralyzed from a stroke. My older neice is her care giver and also works for a hospital.
You, know a pearl is of great value and we all have found many pearls. Ray has surely been sent of God to teach us such an amazing thing. We are all blessed to have each other and my Love for all of you and your post are beyond words.
Love is contacious.
In His Love,
Marlene
Amazing one verse changed several minds.
Akira329:
Thats Great :D!! Marlene
I wish just one person from my family could see these truths!!
Antaiwan
David:
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 10, 2008, 04:46:50 PM ---David.
Your so right about that, it’s like I was saying how many people cry because they believe a family member is being tortured. I used to believe in the hell doctrine and I know first hand how devastating it can be.
My dad was not a bible reading man if you know what I mean and I used to wonder after he had died about what he might be going through but thank God this was nothing more than a lie and what’s worst is that it was more than likely done to create revenue.
But now having the truth I forgive all those who lead me to believe in this Christian hoax’s and more than likely they believed it themselves too.
It’s all apart of God’s purpose but I’m thankful I have been lead to the truth and now know it’s a hoax’s and after the resurrection all of humanity will too.
In God’s Love. Richard.
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Hi Richard.
I had an experience relating to my youngest brothers death just over two years ago (it would have been his 40th birthday today.) I live a few hundred miles away from the rest of my family, and so my pastor at the time had no idea until I told him about it.
My brother was killed by a drunk driver. I was actually asking my pastor about the issue of forgiveness and how I was having difficulty with it. I told him all about what had happend. The first thing he did was not to help me with forgiveness, not to offer any comfort as Christ commanded in Matthew 5:4, no no, what he did was to ask me in a very urgent manner if my brother was "saved". I knew instantly where he was going, and also knew instantly that my time with that Church was up. My brother was not a Christian, had no interest in religion at all. He was just an ordinary hard working family man. But according to my pastor my kid brother is now burning in hell and will remain there forever.
I'd been familiar with Rays teaching at that time for about 6 months, and so I knew I had this guy on the backfoot if I just stuck with the scriptures. Also something just popped into my mind that I believe God planted in me right there and then, which I call "eternal misery for all". I asked him what hope I had in Christ if my brother was burning in hell forever, at what point do I just forget about him and rejoice that I got saved and he didn't? He couldn't answer me. I asked him what insentive there was for the rest of my none believing family to be saved? I asked him how my mother could ever love God or Jesus Christ if her youngest son has been condemned to hell because he missed his chance by being killed by a criminal? He couldn't give me any answers. I wrote him a formal letter saying I was quitting the Church and I've never seen him sinse. I often wondered if God had yet converted that twisted mans heart and mind, but a few weeks ago I had no need to wonder any more. I close friend of mine had coffee with him, and he apparently asked "How is David? Has he given up fighting against God yet? It saddens me that he's following his poor brother straight to hell now that he's given up on the Church." Clearly God has not seen fit to convert him yet.
The depravity of this doctrine needs to be constantly and vigilantly exposed at every given oportunity that God presents to us.
keys2heaven:
Thank you for sharing this.
I also wonder about the reciprocal book titled "90 Minutes in Heaven" by Don Piper. This gentleman came to the church I attended at the time. Although his story was compelling, I had a hard time believing it. I know that Ray teaches that Heaven is not a real physical location nor has any one of us been there. So, should these books be discounted as well?
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