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23 Minutes In Hell.
Richard D:
Hello Keys2heaven.
The dead are really dead, their not in heaven or hell but simply destroyed or out of existence, one's thoughts perished in the day one dies.
If anyone tells me they been to heaven or hell and have come back I would not put any faith in what they are telling me.
In God’s Love. Richard.
Richard D:
David.
I apologize for not responding right away to your reply, I was heartbroken as I read your story about your younger brother. Your story is heart felt my brother. It’s very sad and hurtful when people parrot things that aren’t true through a lack of knowledge.
I want you also to know how much joy I felt inwardly when you had mentioned you had been reading Ray’s work about six months prior to this unfortunate loss of your brother, I was so thankful to God you knew the truth about your brothers destiny.
I thought the question you had presented to your minister at the time were very valid question any family member would want to understand the faith of their loves ones and its sad he had no consolation to give you from the scripture.
Your right about getting the truth out there so many people can be spared further despair. I would like to believe this minister was like me and honestly believed in hell rather than knowing the truth but withholding it.
One day all of humanity will know the truth after the resurrection and how foolish will these who teach and preach the hell doctrine feel when they stand face to face with those who they taught such foolishness.
My heart goes out to you my brother.
In God’s Love. Richard.
David:
--- Quote from: keys2heaven on November 13, 2008, 01:01:18 PM ---, should these books be discounted as well?
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Yes ;D
indianabob:
Folks,
I agree with the posters who have said that this "hell" doctrine is a painful, distressing lie, but I wanted to add that there are some who are modifying it a little out of compassion for their church membership.
A group that I attended for a while is working away from the lie gradually by teaching that we do not suffer in hell forever, but rather are annihilated shortly after resurrection to judgment in the "lake of fire". That is supposed to give the living members peace of mind to know that God isn't torturing their loved ones, but simply putting them out of their misery by applying the second death. Of course it still leaves the impression that God's plan is a failure because there were some who were so evil OR so unappreciative of God's gift that they could not be saved.
They are a loving and basically helpful group and I was treated with great respect while fellowshipping with them. But they seem not to realize that the God they worship is an impotent God who started with a perfect creation that simply got out of hand and there is nothing He (God) can do about it.
I realize that this is a sad state of affairs, but they are confident in their error and I have stopped attending or trying to enlighten them. The difficult part for me was that many are still friends that I see regularly in local stores and coffee shops.
Indiana Bob
Richard D:
Hello Indianabob.
Have you made mention of these scripture to your friends I’ll put below, you can discuss these over with your friends and see if they will understand what these scriptures are really telling everyone.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The next time you see one of your friends give them these verses and ask then if they can tell you what they are saying to them and take it from there.
In God’s Love. Richard.
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