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Ninny:
Amen to you Beloved and to you, George! Wow! We have SO much to learn about God! I think learning some things about ourselves helps us in our understanding of how God operates. When we see our motives for what we do and can painfully look at ourselves then looking at God's mercy, whew! We see our most noble deeds are mostly not so noble at all!
I read and listened to 'how hard is getting saved' and you know, Ray just doesn't pull any punches does he?!
A person can give all the reasons they want to thinking they can interpret God's word any way they want to to make people think the way they do! it is amazing how when you look at all the words like Ray says you see a different picture of God altogether!
I am in agreement with you Beloved, giving is important to God not because HE needs anything we have with the exception of obedience, but because the condition of our heart tells our relationship with Him. And like I said before everything is God's to begin with! He just wants to see how we take care of what is His!
Thanks :D
Love you guys,
Kathy
Marlene:
Hello, It is sad that many are deceived. But, while I was in church I gave with my heart. My husband and I have never had alot of money. I never gave to get money back. I believe we should never think all are doing that. That would pass judgement and make us no better then the false teachers. But, we found out when the Pastor had ran off a young couple for only giving $5.00 dollars a week , and he preached he did not know what anyone gave. Then, after two weeks back after a long illness that I had. He preached a sermon that he did not know what anyone gave. He preached the sermon about the couple who lied to the Holy Spirit. He took the exact amount my husband and I gave. Then he said, "Am I Saying He Might Let You Die" Well! Last, time my Husband and My Mother and I ever went back. We have never been rich use to living with a very small savings and living from check to check. My health has caused many debts in our life. But, God has always taken care of our needs.
But, to say that all in churches give with the heart of only receiving is judgemental and I will never judge them I gave with my heart. Also, now that I know there is no Hell, I am able to obey cause he does it in me. I didn't want to disobey all the time . I had sin in me. I tried to take care of it myself. Now, I know only he can. I Love him now and not just fear him. I Love him in Truth and don't want to hurt him. That is what Love is about we don't like to hurt others. Love is the answer to all problems in the world. I know Babylon Churches have its problems, but not all have been led to the truth yet. I was in Babylon churches and gave with my heart. How can we judge there hearts? I thought god was there judge? There are old people like my mother who gave with her heart. She did not expect to get money back. Babylon's churches have many deceived with good hearts and who obey god. I mean did't we all come out. Its not there faults there deceived is it?
In His Love,
Marlene
Beloved:
Marlene I do not think that was judging anyone with my statement, I just gave two reasons (out of many as to why)
However the elderly who pay tithes are not exempt either....they give tithes in order to obtain righteousness through works OR perhaps they buy into the name it claim it doctrine ...where they are promised to get 100 fold return on their investment....they are not necessarily being obedient by paying tithes
We were all in Babylon and gave money...but the last part of my statement holds ....They are not necessarily being obedient by paying tithes.
I do not care how anyone rationalizes 'what' they did...they were not following Christ they were following a blind guide...who who handed over their authority to interpret scriptures for them. The fact that they were blind does not mean they were innocent..
This is a time for repentance for All that we do, we need to study to show ourselves approved and grow up spiritually. Too many here even on this board are still stuck in the carnal. We need to carefully examine EVERY THING we did and now do. We need to look critically at ourselves... (I am included in this we group too)
We are not here for Babylon bashing...we were all there...I do not care who you are.......Ask yourself.....If you give with a heart that was not pure....then what have you given?
There is only one WAY, and Babylon false doctrines wasn't even close to the narrow path that God set forth.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. .
It is about "fault"...just being a nice person has nothing to do with it. You can act nice and still resent a lot of things that God does and who knows what else is going on inside a person..., we cannot judge the heart by outward appearances...but God knows His Sheep.
This is not criticism of any person, it is simply facing the truth about the behavior of mankind and not making excuses or defending it..
beloved
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 02:27:16 PM --- Babylon's churches have many deceived with good hearts and who obey god.
--- End quote ---
Matters of the heart:
Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Having a 'good heart' is a Babylonian myth...may seem harsh but true.
Marques
Marlene:
Beloved, All, I am saying is while there I gave money to people who did not have anything. For, a long time I handled a program for the needy. I saw they got baskets of food if they were poor or in need. But, when I gave I gave with my heart. Now, is it that God could not see inside my heart. Because, I belonged to a church I did nothing right in his eyes. I mean we are all sinners and I could not have done even this right, if not for him.
I don't have a longing to go back. I know they don't teach right. I know they are deceived. But, God judges them for what they know. He shows them what they did not know.
But, now I know truth I believe I will be held more accountable because I do know truth. But, I was merely stating that while in Babylon I began to question things for a long time before finding truth. I never expressed them things, because I was sure the Pastor where I was going would eat me alive.
Well, I was reading some things and he told me not to delve into them. But, I did Praise God I listened to God and not him.
I am just saying we are held more accountable because we know. I even say some ministers have been led by other ministers. The all follow each other and lead otheres and all wind up in the ditch. I was merely trying to say that God could still lead people out like us. I believe God was changing my heart and others like us while in there. But, we know not all will leave. He chooses a few. Even, called out one could go back in, if not for God. I hate the tithe and I hate Hell teachings. We know what they teach, but Father Forgive Them They Know Not What They Do...But, we the called out know the truth and we are called to a high calling. Without, God showing us and teaching us truth we might well be them. I don't say not to expose them. But, even God will
be showing them mercy and he judges and correct by what truth they have. As, a whole it doesnt look good, but we never know out of the whole he is calling out. I don't say quit showing it for what it is, but there are many people doing with there heart. I am like David I prefer gods judgement over man. Yes, they do teach Hell and they don't make God out to be a fair judge. But, I also, know God is using Babylon for his purposes..
I am sorry if it seemed I singled you out. I just feel like we should have compassion for the ones who mean well in there heart and our blind just as Christ does. I do not mean we have to associate with them.
In His Love,
Marlene
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