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rev 3:20
Beloved:
Jill I think that we have to be careful that we not look at this scripture like they do in Babylon ....they think we have free will and are the ones who choose to open. This is not a direct calling it is about the process of being called out.
You have to look to the meaning in relation to the other verses in scripture
He is talking to Laodociencean one of the seven churches which from Rays teaching represents one aspect of the church, it is not one actual church or age as babylon teaches.
(Rev 3:15) I have known thy works, that neither cold art thou nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot.
(Rev 3:16) So--because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth;
(Rev 3:17) because thou sayest--I am rich, and have grown rich, and have need of nothing, and hast not known that thou art the wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked,
(Rev 3:18) I counsel thee to buy from me gold fired by fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white garments that thou mayest be arrayed, and the shame of thy nakedness may not be manifest, and with eye-salve anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
(Rev 3:19) As many as I love, I do convict and chasten; be zealous, then, and repent;
He is talking to the part of carnal man that waffles, is wrapped up with worldly goods, and is blind to the fact that they are poor and naked. They are told to repent snd He is about to chastize them out of love... The is phileo love and not the agape love spoken in
(Joh 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Then he says
(Rev 3:20) lo, I have stood at the door, and I knock; if any one may hear my voice, and may open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
The way I see this read...
I jesus am standing as The DOOR, I am always here showing you things in creation, if you are blessed to have ears you will be able to open to me, I am always moving toward you and you will have your evening meal / bridal dinner ...with me He is speaking this to his chosen who are alive
(Rev 3:21) He who is overcoming--I will give to him to sit with me in my throne, as I also did overcome and did sit down with my Father in His throne.
Being the lukewarm means you lose the valuation of coldness (unworthiness) and do not know the value of hotness (worthiness). So here is the way to attain the needed fire. The Holy Spirit the Baptism of Fire that will purify you.
(Rev 3:22) He who is having an ear--let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.'
He is calling all the time ...finding eardrums that will recieve his sound waves
The many called heard a small sound but they left their first love and are in Babylon, they are now deaf and blind to His Word.
It is the chosen/called out who will hear, the will deny self, carrry their cross and be obedient to His Word. They are totally the work of God
beloved
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: dewey on November 25, 2008, 08:25:15 PM ---This is part of the calling process - and is actually central to it. Further, it makes understanding how God calls one much more serious than most have believed. Recognize that God will only call each human being once. Therefore, you are responsible now for the knowledge that you are being given. If one does not act on what he is learning, God will take that understanding away (Rom. 2:13; Psa.111:10), and such a person is in a grave spiritual condition.
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Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
--- Quote from: winner08 on November 25, 2008, 10:02:34 PM ---I guess my question is was I being called at that time? Since God only calles once did I miss my calling? Yes maby I was called, but I don't think it wasn't until God lead me here to Rays teachings where I was (maby) being chosen to know and understand His truth. I've been here for months and I have not cease to study and learn everyday His word. With the above statement I wonder what my spiritual condition is?
Darren
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Paula & Darren,
There are no scriptures and/or Ray's teaching that speak on God calling an individual only once. As well as anyone being 'responsible' as Ray covers the difference between being responsible and accountable. Please see the section labeled 'Responsibility' in Ray's letter to Dr. Kennedy (http://bible-truths.com/kennedy2.htm).
Rom 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Gk. 'drag'] him: and I will raise him up at the last day
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Those whom God calls, He does the work in them. As such, they will not fail because God does not fail. Though He brings fiery trials to develop a Godly character, those He predestinates will walk in and through them to come out the other side purified.
No one has ever 'missed' their calling because God never misses the mark (which is what sin is: missing the mark). We are all in the spiritual condition that God has us in which by the way means we are PERFECTLY where He has us to be. Whether one has much understanding or little, it is the PERFECT and EXACT position to be in as God's plan for each of us will result in PERFECTION. No matter where any of us feel we are, God's plan for each and every one of us is PERFECTION, crafted into His image, so this place where we're in is the path to that PERFECTION.
Paula, if I misconstrued your words, please take the time to correct me. It will be for the benefit for all members.
Thanks,
Marques
dewey:
Darren,
I'm going to take a minute and reply to your post where you say you wonder if you were saved before or you weren't. NOBODY has been saved yet. But if you had been touched by the Holy Spirit, you would have understood things then that have only become apparent to you now through Ray's teachings.
And Marques, you're absolutely correct. I did not see that in Ray Smith's papers. I got it from somewhere else. You know what the scriptures say once you've been shown the truth and go the other way. That indicates to me that you had been called and rejected his word. Just my thoughts.
love y'ans,
Paula
dewey:
Dear Claudia,
Thank you for your kind words. The reason I posted like I did was because I too have become disillusioned with this forum lately and it appears that to find love here a person has to search for it. I posted the way I did even though I know it's borderline teaching. I feel it needed to be said to maybe bring this forum back to the spiritual understanding which I've witnessed here before.
Of course, let our Father's will be done.
love ya,
Paula said it
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: dewey on November 25, 2008, 08:25:15 PM ---
Recognize that God will only call each human being once. Therefore, you are responsible now for the knowledge that you are being given. If one does not act on what he is learning, God will take that understanding away (Rom. 2:13; Psa.111:10), and such a person is in a grave spiritual condition.
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Hi Dewey,
Do you happen to have any scriptural witnesses to attest to this proclaimation? I see you have Rom 2:13 & Psa 111:10 next to your statement but I can't make it fit with the conclusion you wrote. "Recognize that God will only call each human being once."
Here are the verses you quoted;
Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth forever.
I agree that we are admonished to use what we are given for good but to say that God only calls once or gives only one chance to be purged and perfected is not what the scriptures actually say;
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies and do good and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not and ye shall not be judged: condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive and ye shall be forgiven:
Above we have the Words of our Lord telling us the boundless mercy of our God, there are many more that attest to His patience and longsuffering, here are just a couple;
Psa 86:15 But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering and plenteous in mercy and truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In Revelation we have Christ rebuking the Church of Ephesus but holding the door open for her to return to Him;
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen and repent and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
And repent they/we will! Either now or in the next age, it will happen.
When Peter asked our Lord how many times he should forgive another person Jesus said;
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Does God expect us to be more patient, longsuffering and forgiving than He is willing to be?
Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Peace,
Joe
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