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Richard D:
Hi Marques.
I should have mentioned and I apologize for not having done so but it was with reply # 4 on your thread I felt was putting one under law.
I read your last reply on reply # 8 and you said this.
If one does not fit one of these positions, they have no place here as their stubbornness only causes strife, conflict, and chaos. For what fellowship does light have with darkness?
This statement is law to my understanding and this is just my opinion but to me it’s like saying unless one writes a thread or responds in a way I approve of then they have no place here.
Marques, you quote this scripture Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Would you give me a time limit on this scripture please?
How about this for learning, there is no hell, we do not have free will and God will save all eventually, when his judgments are in the earth the inhabitants of the earth will learn righteousness. It is physical first then spiritual, before eve took from the fruit of the tree of good and evil she already had lust of the eye lust of the flesh and the pride of life.
I could go on and on but Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Who are you directing this scripture too?
Marques, this is just my opinion like I said but I feel it’s about being put under law and not about edifying.
Marques, could you help me with my understanding with this statement you made which I’ll place below as I’m having a difficult time with it.
"It's not a matter of one stating 'Well, I am not as learned as you'. That has nothing to do with it and I am tired of hearing that lame excuse.
Thank you Marques for your response. :)
In God’s Love. Richard.
Marlene:
Marques, I am sorry. Two years ago I had a huge stroke. I sometimes have trouble expressing myself. I believe all that Ray teaches only because God words teaches the truth. Joe, and Rodger and Indiana Bob, answered my qestion. I have love for the lost. They saw I had anxiety for them. Now, last time I read the Bible God loves the lost. I often go in and read Rays papers over and over. Now, while in Babylon I did not believe in tithe, I gave with my heart as new testament taught. I never had 10 percent to give any way. I never believed in the trinity. I got to questioning all there doctrines. Also, Love is the answer to every thing. Now, God is going to judge each individualy, but I do not think we know every ones heart. I do not want to go back to Babylon's teachings. But, I do have a heart that Loves all humanity. Could it be that God has put this in me. For, I believe it is one of the many traits of God. He acttualy sums ups his commandments as Love. God is love. Does he judge us because we are not where someone else might be. I am for showing truths.
Now, I believe in order to be chosen we have to have all those traits. I can't see God wanting any less. We are all running a race. Some are still at different pace and this is of Gods choosing. So, argue that with God. You are a young mand. Now, I am not saying you are but knowledge done is good, but also I said, that I did not express myself well. I gave you the reason. The Lord protected me Marques with a 109 temp and no paralysis from a stroke I had while suffering a deadly blood infection. Now, I hope we can all look at this as my mistake and forgiven and forget and love. Marques, I am humble it was all my fault. I don't like to cause division, never did it in Babylon and do not like to here. So, I will just read post and learn from them. I will not post until I understand or can express myself better.
In His Love,
Marlene
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 24, 2008, 03:37:46 PM ---I read your last reply on reply # 8 and you said this.
If one does not fit one of these positions, they have no place here as their stubbornness only causes strife, conflict, and chaos. For what fellowship does light have with darkness?
This statement is law to my understanding and this is just my opinion but to me it’s like saying unless one writes a thread or responds in a way I approve of then they have no place here.
--- End quote ---
Again, your opinion is off-base. My approval should be the least of a members' concerns. This is about having scriptures and Ray's teachings as a foundation in regarding fruitful discussions as that is why we are here...right? We are not here for vain babblings, are we? Or to mix spiritual truth with our carnal reasoning and understandings? I can't keep repeating the same thing again and again.
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 24, 2008, 03:37:46 PM ---Marques, you quote this scripture Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Would you give me a time limit on this scripture please?
How about this for learning, there is no hell, we do not have free will and God will save all eventually, when his judgments are in the earth the inhabitants of the earth will learn righteousness. It is physical first then spiritual, before eve took from the fruit of the tree of good and evil she already had lust of the eye lust of the flesh and the pride of life.
I could go on and on but Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Who are you directing this scripture too?
--- End quote ---
In response to your patronizing question, I never stated there was a time limit when it comes to gaining any spiritual understanding. All scriptures is for EVERYONE "and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [2 Tim 3:16]. But there are members who repeat what they have heard from Ray and others here but then make comments that are contrary.
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 24, 2008, 03:37:46 PM ---Marques, this is just my opinion like I said but I feel it’s about being put under law and not about edifying.
Marques, could you help me with my understanding with this statement you made which I’ll place below as I’m having a difficult time with it.
"It's not a matter of one stating 'Well, I am not as learned as you'. That has nothing to do with it and I am tired of hearing that lame excuse.
--- End quote ---
Richard, perhaps you should have reflected on the next statement after this one: "It is a matter of being humble, being teachable, and giving up these idols of the heart."
Richard, these phony acts of sincerity are as see-through as a window pane. Others may flock to you as you tickle their ears with smooth talk, but not I. Good day sir.
Marques
Kat:
Hi Marques,
You are taken a strong position here, but I see it as only beneficial for the forum. If we are all of the same spirit we will be able to see this truth, even if we may not be able to have a depth of understanding it. Just like in Ray's articles there is a wealth of deep spiritual knowledge there, but those just having their eyes opened can still recognize it as truth. Even though they may not understand the deep spiritual meaning in the articles for some time.
We are here because we are seeking the truth, either you will unite with the teachings that are being promoted here or we won't. We have always welcomed questions here, it's when the questioner does not want the answers they gets that there might be strife. We do need to consider what a great privilege it is to be here and to share this wonderful truth.
1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
v. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification.
v. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
v. 9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him,"
v. 10 God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
v. 11 For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
v. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God.
v. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.
v. 14 The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
v. 15 The spiritual man judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
v. 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
In a couple of the most recent threads I started (Jonah's Gourd & Peaceful Oasis) the point I was attempting to convey is that there is no place of undefiled, perfect fellowship anywhere, period. There never has been either, yes, for a very short period of time during the Former Rain the early church had this experience of a single purpose of mind but then there was this bit of faithlessness (is that a word?) on the part of Ananias & Sapphira (Acts 5) and then the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) where we see many fleeing with a fearful spirit.
Many who "stumble" onto Bible Truths come to the Forum with unreal expectations (I know I did) that this would be one happy family merrily learning and sharing together with no strife, no divisons, no controversies. Well let me say from 3 1/2 years of experience that this has never been the case, some periods are more peaceful than others but the bottom line is not how we perceive others who might actually desire strife but how we ourselves as individuals react to it. Do we run, do we challenge and accuse, do we seek understanding, how do we respond?
Over the years it has become intensely apparent that this is indeed a One on one walk with our Lord, I have mentioned this probably hundreds (literally) of times over the years. The Lord will use our interactions to purge us, judge us and eventually to perfect us. We are a spiritual family and household, who will be the ones who cause us the most grief, who are the ones we should really show the most nurturing toward?
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
It ain't an easy journey Brothers and Sisters!
Peace,
Joe
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