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Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: Chuck Norris ---ok, im kind of new at this, but harry, from what i read, you were skirting around the question of which this thread is based.
Is homosexuality against the bible?
Now i agree that in the use of the word abomination, the husband was probably offended, but he apparently is still trying to accept his sons "coming out" and probably was trying to convince himself.
Now you can be gay and be the nicest person in the world, but i believe that you will not go to heaven when you die, unless you change your ways and repent.
'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. That is detestable' (Leviticus 18:22)
--- End quote ---
howdy chuck,
welcome to the forum.
You might find the following thread interesting:
Having Trouble Understanding the "Law"
... That thread deals with your question at least tangentially.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood the question. I didn't think that the question was even about the wrongness but how to deal with it socially.
There seemed to be no question about homosexuality being considered wrong by leeney. I thought her question was rather should she associate with the parents of the gay child and additionally she is concerned about exposing her children to gay people.
I'll check back to see where this goes. If I got it wrong I'll respond accordingly.
feat
Chuck Norris:
Ok harry, i see what you mean, and what leeny meant by saying she is scared of letting her kids see this, but she isnt scared of letting them be exposed to this i believe, but she is scared that they will see God's rules being abused and broken. This is what she is afraid of.
I believe this thread is asking if homosexuality is against the bible, because this issue was brought up because 1) the son was gay, and 2) the people in the discussion were christians
Do remember that the story of sodom and gomorrah, when the sodomites said, "Before they could lie down, the men of the city, surrounded the house. They kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them."
After which, of course, God completely destroyed the city.
Because of this part of the bible, I believe that God isnt much of a fan of homosexuals.
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: Chuck Norris ---Ok harry, i see what you mean, and what leeny meant by saying she is scared of letting her kids see this, but she isnt scared of letting them be exposed to this i believe, but she is scared that they will see God's rules being abused and broken. This is what she is afraid of.
--- End quote ---
You might be right about that Chuck. I wasn't exactly sure if that is exactly what leeney meant either and that's why I expanded my discussion to other things that they might be exposed to as well.
--- Quote from: Chuck Norris ---I believe this thread is asking if homosexuality is against the bible, because this issue was brought up because 1) the son was gay, and 2) the people in the discussion were christians
Do remember that the story of sodom and gomorrah, when the sodomites said, "Before they could lie down, the men of the city, surrounded the house. They kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them."
After which, of course, God completely destroyed the city.
Because of this part of the bible, I believe that God isnt much of a fan of homosexuals.
--- End quote ---
There are a lot of people that take a similar view of of sodom and gomorrah. However, it seems there is probably more to it than that.
Here is part of a discussion I found on the internet courtesy of someone named Robert Kaiser.:
Classical Jewish texts concur that God did *not* destroy Sodom and Gemorrah because their inhabitants were homosexual. Not at all. Rather, the cities were destroyed because the inhabitents were nasty, depraved, and uncompromisingly greedy. Classical Jewish writings affirm that the primary crimes of the Sodomites were, among others, terrible and repeated economic crimes, both against each other and to outsiders.
Sounds like those people were pretty much bottom of the barrel.
I don't want to highjack leeney's thread though so maybe you can start another thread with your topic.
hope that was helpful
feat
chrissiela:
--- Quote ---Do remember that the story of sodom and gomorrah, when the sodomites said, "Before they could lie down, the men of the city, surrounded the house. They kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them."
--- End quote ---
I don't know that this is a proper or correct translation.... they wanted them to come out so that they could 'know' (yâda‛) them:
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ידע
yâda‛
yaw-dah'
A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment, etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.[/list:u]
They did not know who these men were. It does not say that they wanted to have "intercourse" with them; this seems to have been inferred by readers/translators, due to what the sins of Sodom are percieved to have been (and the fact that Lot offered his daughters to the men instead).
Blessings,
Chrissie
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