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James 5 & Praying by God's Rules
Ninny:
Hi,
I've been reading Praying by God's Rules again. I don't know how many time I've read it, I love that article!
It' a how-to guide to prayer!
One of my favorite scriptures is James 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." KJV
Since we are told to pray like that and also to pray that God's will be done, is it because it is God's will for us to pray for one another? James also says in verse 15 "The prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up..." So it is a puzzle to me that even though we are supposed to pray for God's will to be done we are also told that if we pray for the sick God will raise him up! Am I missing the meaning of something? I compared it to the CLV and there isn't much difference except for the tenses of the verbs.
Should I keep reading or does anyone have some insight?
We always pray for our loved ones and friends when they're sick, aren't we told to do that?
Just wondering ???
Kathy :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Ninny on November 30, 2008, 08:25:11 AM ---Hi,
I've been reading Praying by God's Rules again. I don't know how many time I've read it, I love that article!
It' a how-to guide to prayer!
One of my favorite scriptures is James 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." KJV
Since we are told to pray like that and also to pray that God's will be done, is it because it is God's will for us to pray for one another? James also says in verse 15 "The prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up..." So it is a puzzle to me that even though we are supposed to pray for God's will to be done we are also told that if we pray for the sick God will raise him up! Am I missing the meaning of something? I compared it to the CLV and there isn't much difference except for the tenses of the verbs.
Should I keep reading or does anyone have some insight?
We always pray for our loved ones and friends when they're sick, aren't we told to do that?
Just wondering ???
Kathy :)
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Excerpt from 'Praying by God's rules' (http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm):
Did Jesus pray as earnestly as it is possible to pray that God would "let this cup pass?" YES, He did.
Did God grant Jesus His desire to "let this cup pass?" NO, He didn’t.
But, did Jesus get His prayer answered? YES, He surely did. How so? Because Jesus’ greater desire was that His Father’s will be done, rather than "let this cup pass." This example from our Lord is the answer to answered pray and it is also the answer to unanswered prayer.
If you always pray, "not as I will, but as THOU will," all of your prayers will be answered too. Whether you always get what you desire or you don’t get what you desire, if your greatest desire of all desires is for "THY WILL be done," then you can rest assured that from this day forward, all of your prayers will be answered always. God’s will (that is His intention for the way He has preordained everything to go), will always be done. No prayer has ever changed God’s plan or purpose in any way whatsoever. (Read my series on "free will").
Now then, if it was God’s intention for you to be blessed by some particular favor, and God inspires you to pray for that favor then it will surely be given to you. If on the other hand, if it was not God’s intention for you to be blessed by some particular favor, then no amount of praying will cause God to grant it to you. Either way, God’s will must be done, and if that is the greatest desire of your prayer for God’s will to be done in your life, then whether you receive some particular favor or you don’t receive it, nonetheless, YOUR PRAYER WILL BE ANSWERED.
I’m, personally, okay with that. Many of my readers may not be okay with that arrangement of things, but nevertheless, that is the way things are and that is the way things will always be—"THY will be done."
Hello Kathy,
As God intends to bless anyone through prayer, He will inspire others to pray for that individual. The desire to pray for His will to be done is given to us, it is not inherent. Though we are told to pray for the sick, pray for our leaders, pray for the saints, etc.; the greatest desire is to be for the Father's Will to be done. In that regards, our prayers are always answered.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works[including prayer], which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rom 8:26-28 Now, similarly, the spirit also is aiding our infirmity, for what we should be praying for, to accord with what must be, we are not aware, but the spirit itself is pleading for us with inarticulate groanings. Now He Who is searching the hearts is aware what is the disposition of the spirit, for in accord with God is it pleading for the saints. Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose (CLV)
Hope this helps,
Marques
Ninny:
Thanks Marques,
I was thinking about that scripture in Romans 8 the Spirit of God does help us in prayer.
I was thinking about the time just 7 weeks ago when my little 2 year old grandson was first diagnosed with a brain tumor, when we learned about it all I could say in my heart and sometimes out loud was, "Oh, God no, please" I didn't even know what I was praying for, but God knew because His Spirit was there making intercession and saying the words deep within my heart that I couldn't say.
In my heart I knew that we were to be praying for God's will to be done, but also in my heart I was praying for healing and for my grand baby not to be taken away. The doctors discovered that during the surgery instead of them removing as they had thought 90% of the tumor- the MRI showed that it was completely gone! I knew and know that it was all God's plan.
Knowing that ALL things are working together for the purposes of God to those who trust Him is comforting, but hard to remember when the problems come.
Thanks again for the reminder!
Kathy :)
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on November 30, 2008, 09:00:06 AM ---Hello Kathy,
As God intends to bless anyone through prayer, He will inspire others to pray for that individual. The desire to pray for His will to be done is given to us, it is not inherent. Though we are told to pray for the sick, pray for our leaders, pray for the saints, etc.; the greatest desire is to be for the Father's Will to be done. In that regards, our prayers are always answered.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works[including prayer], which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rom 8:26-28 Now, similarly, the spirit also is aiding our infirmity, for what we should be praying for, to accord with what must be, we are not aware, but the spirit itself is pleading for us with inarticulate groanings. Now He Who is searching the hearts is aware what is the disposition of the spirit, for in accord with God is it pleading for the saints. Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose (CLV)
Hope this helps,
Marques
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Marques,
Whenever I read Rom 8:26-28....the Scripture...."Be still and know that I'm God" pops into my brain.
Can we also pray with inarticulate groanings. by being silent in his presence focused on his will?
:)
Brenda
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on December 02, 2008, 12:53:47 PM ---Can we also pray with inarticulate groanings. by being silent in his presence focused on his will?
:)
Brenda
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Hello Brenda,
I'm not entirely sure I understand...the spirit pleads with 'inarticulate groanings' which, I think, is when we feel 'inspired' to pray and/or our hearts feel 'tugged' or 'pulled' in a certain direction. These things are silent obviously but our prayers and thoughts are coherent nonetheless. Whether we speak them aloud or not, they are still coherent.
Is that what you meant? :)
Hope this helps,
Marques
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