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Lake of Fire...Num 31:21
Carlos31:
exactly Dennis.
the gold, silver and all that, ARE WORKS!!
MAN WORKS!!!
Whether a person builds on this foundation with gold, silver, expensive stones, wood, hay, or straw,
1Co 3:13 the workmanship of each person will become evident, for the day will show what it is, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.
1Co 3:14 If what a person has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If his work is burned up, he will suffer loss. However, he himself will be saved, but it will be like going through fire.
Jesus IS THE ROCK, NOT A MATERIAL, Jesus is the foundation, and you put your works on him.
then they shall be tried
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 09, 2008, 03:32:42 PM ---exactly Dennis.
the gold, silver and all that, ARE WORKS!!
MAN WORKS!!!
Whether a person builds on this foundation with gold, silver, expensive stones, wood, hay, or straw,
1Co 3:13 the workmanship of each person will become evident, for the day will show what it is, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.
1Co 3:14 If what a person has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If his work is burned up, he will suffer loss. However, he himself will be saved, but it will be like going through fire.
Jesus IS THE ROCK, NOT A MATERIAL, Jesus is the foundation, and you put your works on him.
then they shall be tried
--- End quote ---
Just like to add to your post Carlos:
From Rays Lake of Fire Part One: Physical Fire vs. Spiritual Fire
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is JESUS CHRIST. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, WOOD, HAY, STUBBLE; Every man’s work shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed BY FIRE; and the FIRE shall TRY EVERY MAN’S WORK of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be BURNED, he shall SUFFER LOSS; but [pay close attention to this BIG BUT] BUT HE HIMSELF [the one who had his works burned and consumed in God’s consuming fire] SHALL BE SAVED [What will save him?], yet so AS BY FIRE" (I Cor. 3:11-15)!!!
Ah dear readers, can we begin to understand the workings of God? God consumes with fire, the wood, hay and stubble in our lives. The things that don’t deserve to continue. But he REFINES the gold, silver, and precious stones (those doctrines and godly character traits of God’s spirit that abide the fire). It is figurative language, it is an analogy, it is a parable, it is metaphorical (where one thing is called another thing). Our lives have either qualities of character (which are likened to gold and precious stones, things of value to refine and retain), or gross lacks in character (which are likened to wood, hay, and stubble and which are not worthy to retain or preserve).
And just as real literal fire is used to refine and purify gold and precious metals, so God’s SPIRITUAL FIRE refines and purifies us from our sinful and carnal nature. And likewise, as real literal fire is used to burn up wood and stubble, so God’s all consuming SPIRITUAL FIRE will consume and burn up all the impurities in our life. These things MUST DIE. This purging is the SECOND DEATH. And whether the person God subjects to His consuming fire has many good qualities or none, the person himself shall be purged, purified, and SAVED BY GOD’S ALL-CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!! We just read it in God’s Holy Word. How can any deny it? Every person who has ever lived will be subjected to the cleaning fire of God’s spirit.
Wood, Hay, and Straw are burned in the fire(Lake of Fire)
Metals are purified or refined in the fire(Lake of Fire)
Right! He himself shall be saved!
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
I also find these passages intereseting in light of whats to be burned and refined:
Revelations being a book of symbols
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Does anyone else find significance in these passages of scriptrue?
These seem to be all the things burned and refined in the fire(God consuming fire or even by Gods word?)
Hey Joe
I see a lot of symbols similar to these but I have yet to understand there significance or connection to Christ, though I believe they do have a connection!! As I also believe Christ is the very image, substance and reality or all these types and shadows.
There's so many!
I believe sometimes I can't grasp the significance unless I know about a certain symbol such as Gold.
If I didn't know its refined in fire what would it mean to me spiritually speaking. Hope that made sense.
Antaiwan
hillsbororiver:
Hi Antaiwan,
Being refined is a metaphor for learning obedience to the will of God, who is our example?
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 09, 2008, 03:32:42 PM ---
Jesus IS THE ROCK, NOT A MATERIAL, Jesus is the foundation, and you put your works on him.
--- End quote ---
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Hi Carlos,
This language being used is spiritual and symbolic, it is not literal, is Christ really a lamb?
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Is every scriptural reference to lambs speak of Christ? Of course not.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Is Christ a crop to be harvested, is He even every scriptural reference to firstfruits? No & no.
Scripture is full of symbolism and some things refer to the natural others refer to the spiritual many to both, on multiple levels. Gold in the natural is quite different than it's spiritual meaning, just like "lamb" and many, many others.
What is this saying to you?
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.
Is this some meaningless bit about expensive and cheap water pitchers in some guy's house? Do you see the same 4 part pattern here as we did in the metals mentioned in Numbers 31:21? The pitchers get progressively cheaper and more bountiful as we go through the list.
Let us all pray for spiritual discernment as we journey together.
Peace,
Joe
aqrinc:
Rodger and Joe,
The only thing i can contribute is to say thanks for the Scriptures and the exposition of them to us.
george. ;D
Akira329:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on December 09, 2008, 07:31:08 PM ---What is this saying to you?
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.
Is this some meaningless bit about expensive and cheap water pitchers in some guy's house? Do you see the same 4 part pattern here as we did in the metals mentioned in Numbers 31:21? The pitchers get progressively cheaper and more bountiful as we go through the list.
Let us all pray for spiritual discernment as we journey together.
Peace,
Joe
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Hey Joe and Rodger Thanks for those scriptures!!
Joe,
Is the scripture your referring to above speaking about the many are called few are chosen?
And,
21And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;
22Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,
(Then we are speaking of teasures right or good works?)
23Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.
(When tried in the fire abide or refined?)
24And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
(Also are garments are made clean, washed white or pure)
(and then we can enter the camp or the Kingdom of God)
(Am I understanding?)
This scripture seems to reveal Gods purification process!
This is such a great scripture Brenda! Glad you found this!
I love the discussion!
Antaiwan
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