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Lake of Fire...Num 31:21
Carlos31:
lol, obviously it's not literal.
Jesus is a foundation, living according to his law, the law of Christ.
I never said Jesus is a physical foundation, or a physical lamb.
it is the works that are tried in fire.
Carlos31:
1Co 3:13 the workmanship of each person will become evident, for the day will show what it is, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.
E. Woods:
--- Quote from: Linny on December 08, 2008, 09:36:54 PM ---I just wanted to add my two cents worth here.
For all of you guys that are relatively new to all of this, I don't want to step on your convictions.
I know it feels like that sometimes. :-\
For me, I understand convictions. I have had SO many over the 18 years I've been a Christ follower. I don't doubt for a moment that my past convictions were from the Lord even though I may not hold them any longer. I also know that He will continue to mold me as He sees fit in the timing that He knows is best for me. He grows us all at a different pace and reveals things to us at different times. It is part of our uniqueness and it all fits into His plan.
I disagree with someone who posted once recently that if your eyes are not open to BT truths then you aren't walking with the Spirit. I have only had my eyes opened to these wonderful truths for less than a year but the Spirit of God has been directing my steps and ALL OVER our lives for long before He opened my eyes to these truths.
Now I also have a different understanding of what the Sabbath is (like Joe's and Samson's and Rodger's) and I have a different understanding of a lot of things now that I used to take literally and physically but now see with Spiritual eyes.
I think that once you really get into Ray's work and see just how the Bible is an entire book about Jesus and is a reflection of Him all the way through the Old to the New, you too will find your convictions changing and reshaping and becoming new and better.
Hope I didn't sound uppity. I certainly am not. Just growing with everyone else here in GOD's TIMING and not my own...
Blessings, Lin
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Hello Lin.
I loved your two cents, and I agree with that.
I was in the WCG for years before 1972, and it took a while before God opened my eyes, to the lies we were
taught,
Now I look at what Joshua said. Jos. 24:22, "as for me and my house we will serve the Lord", and
Gal. 6:4, " let each one examine his oun work, and then he will have rejoicing in himslef alone, and
not in another.
1John 2:27, " But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not
need that anyone teach you."
God Bless you, Be Happy.
Earl
mharrell08:
Numbers 31
21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;
22 Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,
23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.
Gold and all the other metals/minerals all have to go through the fire to be clean. Our God is this fire, a 'consuming Fire' [Heb 12:29], which makes these items clean. He himself is not one that needs to be cleansed. The gold and other metal/minerals were physical items that the men of battle possessed. 'Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition...[1 Cor 10:11]; and is a shadow for the spiritual/inanimate items we possess that need to be tried/refined in fire [That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:...1 Pet 1:17]
Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
While the writer of Hebrews makes reference to Christ's earthly ministry starting in verse 7, the rest of his statement is in reference to before this eon began. Christ became to author of eonian salvation before the foundation of the world [But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you...1 Pet 1:19-20. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb [Christ] slain from the foundation of the world...Rev 13:8] The things He suffered made Him perfect to become the author of eonian salvation. This happened before the foundation of the world or beginning of this eon; not in His earthly ministry.
Revelation 3
8 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
As Ray has taught, when Christ spoke to one church in Revelation chapters 2 & 3, He was speaking to all churches. As all churches had the same admonitions against them (synagogue of Satan, defiled garments, being lukewarm, etc) they also were given the same rewards (name in book of life of Lamb, pillar in the temple, sit with me in my throne, etc) for OVERCOMING. The gold tried in fire, white raiment, and eyesalve are the means which Christ gives us to overcome. They are not the actual reward for overcoming, only the means to do so. The eyesalve is spiritual sight and understanding...the white raiment signifies righteousness; as the defiled garments from the parable of the wedding feast (Matt 22:1-14) signified unrighteousness. The proper wedding garment (white raiment signifying righteousness) was only the means to get into the wedding; not the actual wedding (kingdom of heavens) itself. In this same manner, gold tried in fire is the means or method to HOW we overcome and receive our reward. It is not the reward itself however.
2 Tim 2
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
This great house that Paul is speaking of is the church.
Excerpt from 'Fools, Hypocrites, Snakes' (http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm):
VESSELS IN A GREAT HOUSE
Listen carefully, for these prophecies are not directed toward the world of unbelievers, but to the Church of God:
"But in A GREAT HOUSE there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth and some to honor, and some to dishonor" (II Tim. 2:20).
Just what is this "great house" of which Paul speaks? Let Paul answer:
"But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the House of God which is The Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (I Tim. 3:15).
The Apostle Peter tells us that this House of God definitely needs judging:
"For the time is come that JUDGMENT must begin at The House of God…" (I Pet. 4:17).
As this 'great house' is the House of God, the vessels themselves are people (many called, few chosen) in this great house. These people possess gold, silver, wood, earth which in turn makes them of honor or dishonor. Those who are chosen will have their gold and silver 'refined' and 'purified' and they shall 'overcome'.
Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
1 Cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Love which is the bond (holds all together) of spiritual perfection, and is the greatest of attributes, is being MADE perfect. It is being refined and purified by our God who is a consuming fire. From these and other scriptures, I believe gold is a shadow/type for LOVE. The rest of the metals/minerals from Num 31:21 I believe are also attributes in us (that we possess) that must be cleansed/refined before we can enter the Kingdom.
Thanks,
Marques
Akira329:
Hey Marques,
This post definitely helps in my understanding!
Much needed addition to the thread.
Antaiwan
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