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Carlos31:
anyways, going back to the question.


exactly Dennis.

the gold, silver and all that, ARE WORKS!!

MAN WORKS!!!



Whether a person builds on this foundation with gold, silver, expensive stones, wood, hay, or straw,
1Co 3:13  the workmanship of each person will become evident, for the day will show what it is, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.
1Co 3:14  If what a person has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15  If his work is burned up, he will suffer loss. However, he himself will be saved, but it will be like going through fire.


Jesus IS THE ROCK, Jesus is the foundation.

every work shall be tried

Carlos31:
Amen


--- Quote from: Akira329 on December 09, 2008, 06:45:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 09, 2008, 03:32:42 PM ---exactly Dennis.

the gold, silver and all that, ARE WORKS!!

MAN WORKS!!!



Whether a person builds on this foundation with gold, silver, expensive stones, wood, hay, or straw,
1Co 3:13  the workmanship of each person will become evident, for the day will show what it is, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.
1Co 3:14  If what a person has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15  If his work is burned up, he will suffer loss. However, he himself will be saved, but it will be like going through fire.


Jesus IS THE ROCK, NOT A MATERIAL, Jesus is the foundation, and you put your works on him.

then they shall be tried

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Just like to add to your post Carlos:
From Rays Lake of Fire Part One: Physical Fire vs. Spiritual Fire
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is JESUS CHRIST. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, WOOD, HAY, STUBBLE; Every man’s work shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed BY FIRE; and the FIRE shall TRY EVERY MAN’S WORK of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be BURNED, he shall SUFFER LOSS; but [pay close attention to this BIG BUT] BUT HE HIMSELF [the one who had his works burned and consumed in God’s consuming fire] SHALL BE SAVED [What will save him?], yet so AS BY FIRE" (I Cor. 3:11-15)!!!

Ah dear readers, can we begin to understand the workings of God? God consumes with fire, the wood, hay and stubble in our lives. The things that don’t deserve to continue. But he REFINES the gold, silver, and precious stones (those doctrines and godly character traits of God’s spirit that abide the fire). It is figurative language, it is an analogy, it is a parable, it is metaphorical (where one thing is called another thing). Our lives have either qualities of character (which are likened to gold and precious stones, things of value to refine and retain), or gross lacks in character (which are likened to wood, hay, and stubble and which are not worthy to retain or preserve).

And just as real literal fire is used to refine and purify gold and precious metals, so God’s SPIRITUAL FIRE refines and purifies us from our sinful and carnal nature. And likewise, as real literal fire is used to burn up wood and stubble, so God’s all consuming SPIRITUAL FIRE will consume and burn up all the impurities in our life. These things MUST DIE. This purging is the SECOND DEATH. And whether the person God subjects to His consuming fire has many good qualities or none, the person himself shall be purged, purified, and SAVED BY GOD’S ALL-CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!! We just read it in God’s Holy Word. How can any deny it? Every person who has ever lived will be subjected to the cleaning fire of God’s spirit.

Wood, Hay, and Straw are burned in the fire(Lake of Fire)
Metals are purified or refined in the fire(Lake of Fire)
Right! He himself shall be saved!

Psa 12:6  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

I also find these passages intereseting in light of whats to be burned and refined:

Revelations being a book of symbols
Rev 18:2  And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3  For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:9  And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10  Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:12  The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13  And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
Rev 18:14  And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:16  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18  And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Rev 18:19  And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev 18:20  Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Does anyone else find significance in these passages of scriptrue?
These seem to be all the things burned and refined in the fire(God consuming fire or even by Gods word?)

Hey Joe
I see a lot of symbols similar to these but I have yet to understand there significance or connection to Christ, though I believe they do have a connection!! As I also believe Christ is the very image, substance and reality or all these types and shadows.

There's so many!
I believe sometimes I can't grasp the significance unless I know about a certain symbol such as Gold.
If I didn't know its refined in fire what would it mean to me spiritually speaking. Hope that made sense.

Antaiwan



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Deborah-Leigh:
To take the discussion surrounding Works, to a deeper more personal level note the following:

Every thought, every word, and every deed that proceeds out of the heart and mind of man is his “WORKS.”  LOF 6 http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html

There is the broad feel good way  that leads to error and the narrow uncomfortable way to understanding God. One way leads to knowledge of God, reverent dependence upon Him and the other way leads to feeling good about God having no knowledge of Him. In the words of God 2 Tim 3 : For {although} they hold a form of piety {true religion} they deny and reject and are strangers to the POWER of it {their conduct belies the  genuineness of their profession}. Avoid {all} such people {turn away from them}. 

Actions speak louder than words and conduct speaks louder than self promotion.

The Power of God is His Sovereignty in that HE will be all in all, not that WE shall be all in all. Our progress to maturity  is to understand that our thoughts are not His thoughts and our ways are not His Ways and that this is according to the Plan and Purpose of God who has designed for us into be made into HIS image and not He into our image.

We can see where we are by self examination.

1 Cor 11 ; 31 For IF we searchingly examined ourselves {detecting our shortcomings and recognizing our own condition} we should not be judged and penalty decreed {by divine judgment} But when we {fall short and } are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined and chastened, so that we many not {finally}  be condemned to {punishment} with the world.

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God…1 Peter 4:17

Arc

Vangie:
I've just GOT to step in and clarify something to Carlos31, as I'm afraid he's totally going to miss the point, just as so many in Christendom do when it comes to a "punctuation misunderstanding". 

Carlos, Rodger was saying to you:  "No Carlos31, but you're almost right, scripture isn't 99.9% spiritual, IT IS 100% spiritual".  It's just a matter of interpretation of the words, and you and he really are trying to be on the same page I believe!  It's very hard to communicate what we really mean in this venue by just typing, and if we try to look for what we agree on, rather than what we believe are differences, we might find we have a lot more in common than we think.  ;)

You took the interpretation of the metals into a different direction than what the thread initially originated about, but one thing I've learned from and appreciate is how Hillsborough River Joe has mentioned that we can notice multiple levels of symbolism that speak to each of us differently.  You saw a different level there, and I and others I'm sure can relate. 

Thanks to all participants for an interesting thread.  I'm sorry if I'm stepping on Rodger's toes, but I appreciate his deep grasp of the spiritual applications of scripture, and don't want his point to have been lost.  Thanks Arcturus for your thoughtful input too, very insightful!

Love in Christ,
Vangie

aqrinc:
Thanks Roger,

I see no teaching here, I do see agreement with what Ray and The Scriptures Say. You put  this
subject of works of man versus Foundation Of Jesus Christ in stark contrast while making clear
the different quality of each persons works (wood hay stubble vs Silver Gold Precious Stone).

Here are some Scriptures below that we all need to keep remembering:

Galatians 2:16:
Knowing, however, that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, nor at all save through faith in Christ Jesus;
even we, on Christ Jesus, believed, that we might be declared righteous—by faith in Christ, and not by works of law;
because, by works of law, shall no flesh be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:19-21
19-Manifest, however, are the works of the flesh, which, indeed, are—fornication, impurity, wantonness,
20-idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of wrath, factions, divisions, parties,
21-envyings, drunkenness, revellings;—and such things as these: as to which I forewarn you, even as
I have forewarned you,—that, they who such things as these do practise, shall not inherit, God’s kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26:
22-But, the fruit of the Spirit, is—love, joy, peace, long-suffering, graciousness, goodness, faithfulness,
23-meekness, self-control;—against such things as these, there is no law.
24-And, they who are of Christ Jesus, have crucified, the flesh, with its susceptibilities and covetings.
25-If we live by Spirit, by Spirit, let us also walk.
26-Let us not become vain-glorious,—one another, challenging, one another, envying.

Galatians 6: 1-10
1-Brethren! if a man should even be overtaken in any fault, ye, the spiritual, be restoring such a one, in a
spirit of meekness, looking to thyself, lest, even thou, be put to the test.
2-One another’s burdens, be ye bearing, and, so, fill up the law of the Christ.
3-For, if any one thinketh he is something, when he is, nothing, he deceiveth himself;
4-But, his own work, let each one be putting to the proof, and, then, for himself alone, the matter of boasting,
shall he have, and not for some other,
5-For, each one, his own proper load, shall bear:—
6-Howbeit, let him who is being orally instructed in the word, have fellowship with him that is so instructing him,
in all good things.
7-Be not deceiving yourselves! God, is not to be mocked; for, whatsoever a man soweth, the same, shall he also reap,
8-Because, he that soweth into his own flesh, out of the flesh, shall reap corruption, whereas, he that soweth into
the Spirit, out of the Spirit, shall reap age-abiding life.
9-And, in doing that which is honourable, let us not be fainthearted; for, in due season, we shall reap, if we faint not.
10-Hence, then, as we have opportunity, let us be working what is good, towards all,—but, especially, towards the
family of the faith.


george. :)

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