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Abraham & Sarah
DizzyD:
Howdy to all,
Joe: good thread and good input from others.
but i did have something to jump out at me and wanted to comment on it.
Gen 20:6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
The immediate thought that came across my mind was "so much for Adimelechs' "free" will." This is one of many examples that God shows us He is in control,but man thinks he has complete control over his steps on the path of life.
my thought is that this is just another nail in the coffin of "free will"
Bud
Deborah-Leigh:
During the OT times genealogy was like a status symbol. If your name was recorded in the genealogy register, then you were, a somebody eg a man of valor !Chr 7 : 5 a mighty warrior 1Ch 7 : 9 chief of the princes 1 Ch 7 : 40.
The only register we are to be found in of any noteworthiness today, is disclosed in the NT that is the book of The Life of the Lamb Rev 13 : 8
The carnal human birth right has progressed from physical to spiritual. For this reason we are admonished to avoid giving heed to genealogies 1 Ti 1 : 4 and backsliding into physical vanities, pride and prejudices.
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Here is how GOD says He created Adam and Eve:
"For the creature was made subject to vanity [King James Margin: "futility"], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected [Gk: ‘subjects’—aorist tense—subjecting is still going on] the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).
In Dante’s inferno, "all hope is gone…," but in God’s realm He subjects the entire creation "…in HOPE,"
God willfully, wantingly, knowingly, purposely, and wisely, created mankind "subject to vanity," subject to failure, but beyond the failure, God also subjects the same in "hope." Once again, contrary to all orthodox doctrine, there is hope for all of God’s carnal-minded, God-hating people on planet Earth. God Himself says so, in the same breath: "because the creature itself [the same creation that God subjects to vanity, futility, failure, and carnal-minded hatred against God] also shall be [ah, did you catch that? ‘shall be’], delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Rom. 8:21).
God calls His prophets HOLY. Acts 3 : 21
We should too if we are seeing spiritually and reverentially being faithful to the Name of God. Rev 3 : 8
http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html
Paul was being molded into a SPIRITUAL GIANT! And being trained, educated, purged, perfected into a spiritual giant is NOT a walk in the park!
Was it just Paul that God singled out to endure such hardships and trials? No, we too must partake of the same
Arcturus
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
There sure have been some great responses here!
The following observation from Brenda was actually what I had in mind when starting this topic, Abraham learned to trust God as his (Abraham's) earlier failures showed him that God would ultimately provide for him no matter how bleak his circumstances seemed to be. Abraham did not "earn" God's favor, God's favor earned Abraham's trust!
Isn't this what John spoke of?
1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
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And in the intervention of God on his behalf, could this have influenced his great faith to latter be willing to sacrifice his own Son back to God?
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Bud made a point that I had overlooked and it is a very profound one for sure;
--- Quote from: DizzyD on December 19, 2008, 08:40:42 AM ---
Gen 20:6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
The immediate thought that came across my mind was "so much for Adimelechs' "free" will." This is one of many examples that God shows us He is in control,but man thinks he has complete control over his steps on the path of life.
my thought is that this is just another nail in the coffin of "free will"
Bud
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Excellent observation!
Pro 2:8 He keepeth the paths of judgment and preserveth the way of his saints.
Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
Thanks to all who participated, every response is appreciated.
Peace,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
From the 2007 Nashville Conference;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg34384.html#msg34384
"So this is the best that God can do , but it’s not pretty and it’s not fancy and it’s not always happy. It’s painful and sad and much of our lives are misery, you know, laughing on the outside and crying on the inside. It’s not always happy happy happy, but it’s necessary. Is it right, that God should put us through something like that?
We have no say about it, we didn’t ask to be born and we didn’t ask to get lung cancer or whatever. We didn’t ask for this, God puts us through it. Is it fair for Him to do that? Why is it fair? Well there is something good in store. But is it necessary that we would have to go through all of this bad first? It’s true, you have to have the contrast. But sometimes I just say, Lord I think I’m at the place now, Lord I think I’m there. You can take away the bad and see if I’m not thankful.
He sent Jesus Christ to go through the same stuff we go through and that’s why I wanted to bring these out today. Because most of you never knew that. Jesus Christ lived a pretty painful life. Paul lived a pretty painful life, he said I learned to be content in all things. God put His Son through what we have to go through, because He loves us! He didn’t have to.
Jesus Christ did something between His creation and the creation of the earth. He did something to acquire God’s glory, something. Because He had it and He didn’t get it for nothing.
God wants creatures, He wants children, He wants sons and daughters. He has a desire to have something like Himself. But for us to be like Him, we have to go through some pretty tough stuff. So He sent His Son as an example, as how you can go through it and never get angry or upset with God. And to never turn against your fellowman, because of what you have to go through. He lived a perfect life, of the perfect man, sick and diseased, in pain and He lived it perfectly. But God was living in Him, the Father was going through it just as much as He was, you see.
Christ had to die, it said He had to die for our sins. That’s true, that’s the scripture, Christ died for our sin. But then we have a scripture here that doesn’t mention sin.
John 3:16 "For God so(thus) loved the world,”
Thus or in the manner, a lot of people think it’s saying He loved us so much, but that is not what this is saying. What this is saying is God loved us, in this way. This is the manner and way in which He loved us. In this way He loved the world.
“…that He gave His only begotten Son,”
Ok, He died, they killed Him on the cross, He died.
“…that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.”
Of course the Bible is written so man don’t understand it. That’s why some of these things are put in there, “that who-so-ever believes.” God knows and now we know, everybody is going to believe. So the ‘who-so-ever’ is going to be everybody, ok.
But He gave His Son, now here’s the point I want to make and that is this, why did Christ have to die? Why? Why did the Father sacrifice His Son? Why did He have to do that? HE DIDN’T HAVE TO DO THAT! He didn’t have to do anything, HE’S GOD! Why did He?
Because whether you recognize it now or later in life or those in the resurrection to judgment or for the rest of eternity, we are going to know it for sure. That God died for us for no other reason than to show us that HE LOVES US! He did not have to die. He said, I will do it to show them. How can I show them that what I am putting them through has real value? What can I do? I can promise them the world, I can give them mansions and youth and joyful life. I have all that to give, but they will say, you are only giving out of your abundance, of what you have. What can I really do, that you will know that I really love you? And God said, I will DIE!
But God can’t die, He’s eternal, He has immortality, deathlessness. If you have immortality you can’t die.
So He made a Son. He made Him great. And to show us how great He was, He said, let Me show you what I can do when I make a Son. Ok, Create the universe first, now become a man, and now die.
Then they will know We love them.
Then they will know!
Peace,
Joe
aqrinc:
Amen. Joe,
This is a great thread for our edification when things look dark and impossible.
Trust Love Grace and Faith in GOD Through Jesus Christ our Lord,
george. :)
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