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Man came from a rock
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: David on December 18, 2008, 02:24:22 PM ---The English words Cosmos and Cosmology, words which refer to the universe and the study of it come from the Greek word Kosmos, which is the word translated "world" in the NT scriptures.
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That's interesting David...so, do you believe that the Lord was referencing the universe all the times the word 'kosmos' was used in scripture? That He died for the universe and not just planet earth which is where He stated He was creating mankind into His image? That His judgments are coming to the universe and not earth like He states? [Isa 26:9]
As Eve is 'mother of all living' [Gen 3:20] would that mean any living beings would have had to have left the earth to live on other planets or space?
These scriptures (along with many others), though not saying "PLANET EARTH ONLY", all reference God creating mankind, into His image, on this planet.
Excerpt from 'Exposing Secret Rapture theory' (http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm):
FROM WHERE DO WE JUDGE?
"Or are you not aware that the saints shall judge THE WORLD? And if the world is being judged by you, are you unworthy of the least tribunals? Are you not aware that we shall be judging MESSENGERS(1Cor 6:3), not to mention life’s affairs?" Notice that the same "you" and "we" are to judge the "world" AND "messengers." And the judging of messengers is linked with judging "life’s affairs." "Life’s affairs is not something going on in OUTER SPACE! Life’s affairs are things on the earth, which is the same location at which we will be "judging messengers!" And these two judgments are not separated by thousands of years.
I have never gone into outer space, however, guess what? I have and still do wrestle creatures among the celestials! "... for it is not ours to wrestle with blood and flesh, but with the sovereignties, with the authorities, with the world mights of this darkness, with spiritual forces of wickedness AMONG THE CELESTIALS" (Eph. 6:12)! Now think for a moment, if we can right here and now, from the earth, wrestle with creatures among the celestials, why can’t we also judge and instruct them as well, FROM THE EARTH?
When Christ returns to set up His kingdom on earth, He brings the place of authority or rulership that He has prepared for the apostles with Him so that "... where I am, YOU ALSO MAY BE" (John 14:3). During Christ’s reign on earth His apostles will be WITH THE LORD. Now notice I Thes. 4:17 where it is stated that when Christ returns to the Gentile saints "... thus shall we always be together WITH THE LORD ..." We also will be with the Lord on the earth, not in outer space.
There is much that could be said regarding how Christ actually comes and what He will do after He arrives. Will He literally ride out of Heaven on a flying white horse with fire shooting out of His eyes and a long sword coming out of His mouth followed by literal armies ready to do battle against the few remaining and helpless humans on earth, and all this happening while the lightning is flashing and silver trumpets are blasting? Probably NOT. But, just like the rest of Revelation, the things that these symbols, metaphors, and figurative language represent will certainly be GLORIOUS, but that’s a subject for another paper. Remember that we have God’s promise that the wise shall understand. We all need to pray for wisdom, that’s for sure.
This is why I made the initial reply to Brenda's comment...not from fact that she does not take a stand on other life forms but from the comment 'the scriptures are silent on this'. The scriptures, literally, are silent on many things...but spiritually, they speak on all things as all is of God and He is one with His Word.
I'm not trying to debate just state from the scriptures. These kinds of ideas and beliefs slip in little by little and fester & feed on the carnal mind & understanding.
Thanks,
Marques
musicman:
Science has shown that man came from the same thing that the Bible says he came from. Man came from the dust. But if you want to be literal about it:
Everything came from dust. Including rocks.
David:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on December 18, 2008, 03:24:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: David on December 18, 2008, 02:24:22 PM ---The English words Cosmos and Cosmology, words which refer to the universe and the study of it come from the Greek word Kosmos, which is the word translated "world" in the NT scriptures.
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That's interesting David...so, do you believe that the Lord was referencing the universe all the times the word 'kosmos' was used in scripture? That He died for the universe and not just planet earth which is where He stated He was creating mankind into His image? That His judgments are coming to the universe and not earth like He states? [Isa 26:9]
As Eve is 'mother of all living' [Gen 3:20] would that mean any living beings would have had to have left the earth to live on other planets or space?
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The simple answer is no I do not believe that at all. However, it is a fact that whenever the word "Cosmos" is used today, its understood that it means the universe, and it comes from the Greek word Kosmos.
There's currently no evidence to suggest there is life anywhere else in the universe, and as you say the scriptures do not indicate that there may or may not be, not as far as we know to date anyway.
There are Jewish scholars that state that Gen 1:1 litterally means the entire matter of the Cosmos. God did create the Universe, we know its there, and its there for a purpose. He doesn't create things for nothing.
We obviously have to look at Gen 3:20 in a context that maybe we haven't before, and I don't have any answer just so you know. But your statement suggests that Eve is the mother of all living beings......you and I know that she wasn't the mother of horses or lizards or spiders. This is obviously a reference to all of Gods people from Adam and Eve. Gen 2:7and man was made a living soul. I think this scripture is tells us a lot. Remember how Ray put emphasis on "It came to be" in his recent talks. In the NKJV its translated "became a living being" There were lots of living creatures on earth before Adam, and Ray has stated in a recent Bible study that he believes Adam was not the first human, but none of them were made "living souls".
Like I said there is no evidence to suggest life anywhere but here on earth, either in science or in the scriptures.
Biologists are divided as to how the first single cell life forms came to be, whether it was chemical reactions in the oceans, or whether it was extra terrestrial from matter bombarding the earth. Whatever the case may be, God created it and caused it to be.
The scriptures are clear that God created man from the dust of the ground, which comes from rocks, which comes either from out of the ground in the form of volcanic activity, or from extra terrestrial matter hitting the earth.
I believe that man was created from the dust of the ground that formed over millions of years from volcanic rock.
1 Cor 15:47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust;
It would be both arrogant and foolish to suggest that any of us, including Ray could possibly have the understanding of what we've been taught recently about the age of the universe etc, about what Genesis is actually telling us without scientific discovery. Someone said in a recent Bible study of Rays, that this could not have happened 40 or 50 years ago, because these things were simply not known to science. But they've been there hidden in the scriptures for thousands of years.
I believe as science discovers more and more about the earth and the universe, we in turn will learn more and more about whats hidden in the scriptures. Fact, science cannot make a single discovery and prove it unless God created it and caused it to be, and there's a chance there's a reference to it hidden in the scriptures.
I don't think we've even begun to realize just how great a God we serve, we will one day that's for sure.
gmik:
Getting back to Atheists, I just saw this bumper sticker....
Atheists believe there is NO God,
but HE is responsible for all the crap!!!!
dave:
This is just a thought. I am on the Creators side but someone
mentioned this is what we are taught from our first year in
school, and this is true, but the why is the most shocking
proof of how ignorant our education system and society has
become.
Ben Stein made a movie called "Expelled" and that movie tells just
why we have evolution taught and the idea of Intelligent
Design is "expelled" from grade school, high school, and college
and science. Just incase you maybe interested.
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