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Sorin:

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I would think that God would have more sense than to send a "comforter" who does a little more than just comfort children. Mohammed was a child molester, a murderer and a terrorist.

Beloved:
I think you have found a group of people who have been duped by people like Khalid Yasin and others. There seems to be an very active attempt right now to use the internet especially youtube to recruit those people who are not skilled in the word. They have both men and women engaged in this recruitment.

Islam is about numbers. it is like the BORG.. They will get you into it and and then use fear and intimidation to keep you there...sound familiar? There is nothing more despised than someone coming and then leaving thier faith...it is absolute non tolerance.

Much later when the time is right they will demand total adherence to the fundalmental teachings and then they will be trapped. They will reach a critical mass and then the mob metality will reighn in total control and in total fear. 

Khalid is an African Aamerican who himself has a very poor understafing of either the Jewish or NT who is making the arguments that your group is adhering to.

Other attemtps at recruitment are using rational thinking people who dress refined and appear moderate, they have several american and british speakers. Once in there will come a time, where they will see the enforcement and intolerance to these moderate positions but these people are blind to that.

There is also a big movememt to appeal to things written about human development as a sign that Mohamend was inspired by God.  They are appealing to those with more scientific acumen to be convinced that no unlearned man could know this....but what they are teaching is so mundane only the foolish would fall for it.

There is also a lot of recruitment of women by moderate islam men. They use the mysterious to appeal. Again most of it is liberal or moderate so their victims will accept it as a better alternative. It offers protection to those who feel victimized by the world.  It will gain more appeal as it become more powerful than it is.

They are content with all these chippings...because eventually all walls will totally crumble.

2Ti 3:6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women (any church member or quasi religious person) laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

beloved

Amrhrasach:

--- Quote from: raginggaijin on December 24, 2008, 11:58:13 AM ---
They believe the Comforter is Muhammed, who was given direction by an Angel, hence the hidden scroll.

The prophecy that foretells of their final testament I am told is found in Isaiah 29:11-12. "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot for it is sealed: And the book is delievered to him that is not learned saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." I read the whole chapter and interpreted it as a prophecy for the times we are in now. Where people thirst for the Word of God, but are unable to find it due to the complicity of the Church and their reliance on the traditions of men; the Word is sealed to those that are learned, and the unlearned know not how to divine His will because they do not know the way to God, and therefore have not the Holy Spirit to guide them. Am I wrong in this interpretation?


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I'm not sure if this applies to Isaiah 29: 11-12, but, I'll throw it in.  Today I was reading "How Hard Is Getting Saved?" and came across this part which seems to point back to the words of Isaiah.  Here it is:

“Those who do not believe the testimony that God gave of His son, they are the ones who won’t be in the Kingdom of God! “For this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.” His testimony of His Son and “These things were written that you believe on the name of the Lord.” You’ve got to believe this testimony of Jesus Christ that His Father gave Him. Now that’s not it’s own interpretation, remember? You have to match spiritual with spiritual. What is that testimony? “The revelation of Jesus Christ which GOD gave onto Him… He bare record of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.” It’s the same words! The Book of Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ!

Now, what are we going to do with all this?

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein.

If you’re going to call upon the name of the Lord, you have to do what the Lord says. In John we read that if you’re going to call upon the name of the Lord you’ve got to believe the testimony that His Father gave concerning Him. Revelation says, this is that testimony - 22 chapters.

John was so sad when they were going to open the seals of this book. Why was he so sad? Why would John be so sad about that?

Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
v. 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
v. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Why would he cry? What’s so important about these seals that John would weep like a child? Because he just wrote, you’ve got to keep what’s in there! Now we can’t even open them. That’s a catch-22, I’ve got to do what it says, but I don’t know what it says! Who can open this up? The Son of God, He can. This is His testimony, He knows how to open it. So He opens up the seven seals... then there’s seven trumpets... then there’s seven plagues."

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html


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Since both Isaiah and Revelation speak of a book that is sealed and who is qualified to open the seals and read, only Christ can open the seals and certainly not Mohammed.  Is Isaiah 29:11-12 really a prophecy for the times we are in now?…,,,or, only that Christ only is qualified.  Perhaps not so much that the word is sealed to the learned and the unlearned are helpless, but that the testimony is that of Christ.............and Christ only.

This may or may not work into where you wish to go with the topic.

Gary

David:
It seems to me from what you've written here that your friends time would be better spent studying the Bible, rather than wasting valuable study time on a plagiarized work penned by a false prophet.
The Quaran is a mish mash of OT and NT, apocryphal writings, questionable "Christian" writings such as material from the so called Gospel of Thomas, with some Asian Philosophy thrown in.
The Bible confirms itself. Gods inspired word does not need someone to come along 6 centuries later to "confirm" it by denying Christ as our Lord and savior, and adding to the text with heresy. 

raginggaijin:

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--- Quote from: raginggaijin on December 24, 2008, 11:58:13 AM ---
The basis I use to educate them (if they have ears to hear) is the Scripture itself. On the Comforter I am told in letters:


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Here is your basic principle too your VAIN problem......

YOU cannot educate anyone in/on the SPIRIT matters, this ONLY comes from the Holy Spirit, by the GRCAE and WILL. of God.

Your Eyes and Ears must 1st be open to the unconditional truth, "that all is of God " and LIVE the Word of God.

Until God so wills that ANYONE should have their eyes and ears open to the Word ((Jesus the living Word of God)), every and any effort till that time, is spent in VAIN.

God calls them 1st, if they stop to listen to another man's/voice other then the one that calls them ((choice)), they are still the living dead.

Truth be told, anyone who thinks they can EDUMACATE anyone in the Word of God ((LESS the Comforter)), is only fooling themselves in their own work of iniquity.

LIVING the Word of God is not argumentative, debatable, contradicting, context, semantics......etc. Is Truth in Knowledge. Spiritual Understanding is not brought about by ANY human work.

Spiritual understanding derives from the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, the one Mediator of man, the Spirit seed, the oracle of God, the living Word of God,  God. We each have WITHIN us.

".. seek thy first, the Kingdom of God within..."

Peace and Understanding
Rodger





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Thank you for the admonishment. You are correct.

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