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Daddysgirl:

--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 08, 2009, 12:55:56 PM ---This is just my experience, but when I "feel spiritual" it's usually a sign that I don't "feel humble."  I'd rather feel humble any day, because the reward is in heaven.  I suspect that the reward for feeling spiritual is it's own reward.

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Oh! how I totally agree. For me, since finding Ray's site some months ago, I have found the "feeling spiritual" thing fading further and further away. Ofcourse it has worried me sometimes, especially my prayer life. Babylon had taught us to pray formally, now i feel no desire to do that. Even though i talk to God almost all day everyday, i still got a bit worried that i dedicate no time at all now to just being "in His presence"- quite frankly, i just never feel like doing that anymore. It could be wrong, i dont know.

I have also seen the beast manifesting itself more since God brought me to BT. Then i see God making me do things i would otherwise not do(good ones)- it's just been a hectic spiritual battle i have to say. The only thing "spiritual" i ever feel like doing(infact, spend a lot of my time on) is reading Ray's material, not even so much scripture. I had spent more than 8 years reading and reading, memorising and re- reading the word with a mind immensely influenced by babylonian theology, been to some bible schools, taught descipleship classes. I just dont have that desire at the moment. Fortunately a lot of scripture that Ray and others on the forum quote, i still remember off by heart, so i take more interest in the meaning of words now. i hope that someday God will bring back the desire to read scripture....

Anyhow, just my " feeling".

Matty

jg:
Thanks all, a lot of good insight here.

Marques,


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Just you thinking about this and wanting to change is a sign that Christ is working in you towards repentance. Those that Christ is not working in have no time to think whether or not they are lusting after money...they're too busy lusting after money. 

That really helped me.  That's what I needed to hear, so thanks for the edification, what a lift that was.

Wow, so much to talk about... 
Maybe I should further clarify what I mean by "feeling spiritual."  It's more like, "close to God."  I dont mean puffed up or in an arogant way.  It's that "peacefulness" when praying, or when you're just spending time with God and a wave of "everything is ok between you and your God" comes over you.  (Not that He's done with me, but I know He loves me)  At times, that peacefulness is what is missing...

I know that judgement begins with the house of God.  That means me, He's working in me to make me more Christ-like, burning out the carnal, one thing at a time. Like when the holy spirit nudged me about how I was also lusting after "more money," so I could meet my bills. I was reminded "not to worry about anything," but I realized I was doing just that. Trying hard to figure out what else "I" could do to come up with more cash, etc. It was consuming me. That had to stop.   

Since I started reading and re-rereading Ray's teachings, God is on my mind, almost constantly. I have such a burning desire to learn more, to grow in Him.  There are times though, when that burning desire is what is missing.  That's when I get worried that I'm 'thorny ground.'  Sometimes I find myself crying out to God, "Don't stop working on me!"  Kinda scarry.  I want more than anything to please Him, to be found "acceptable."

Aqr,  thanks too for your thoughts.  I too have had the thought that there is no God.  Just having that thought scares me,,,, even admitting that I've had that thought is hard to do.  I think, "Where did THAT come from."   After seeing your post I felt better, maybe I'm not the only one after all. 

Patrick, thanks for posting what Ray had to say. 

And the rest of you, I dont have time to say thanks to each of you individually so please consider yourself thanked, :)

Its nice to know I'm growing, changing, and that He put that desire in me.  What a God we serve!

Thanks again, all. 

Joe

larissa4676:
Hi Joe,

I'm new here as well so I hope what I share helps. I think it's great that you've seen your "lust for money." I've thought about that allot since coming out of Babylon. Most folks will tell you they do not lust for money (those that I know anyway) but their lives contradict that. They spend 8-10 hours per day preparing, traveling to, working, traveling from, spending time out of their Word studies, away from family all to make money. They go to "church" for a couple of hours a day and complain that the service is too long. Who are they really serving.

Parents teach us to get an education.
Education teaches us to get a job.
Society tells us what to wear, we need a house, a car, etc.
We work a job til we're 70 or so, get a watch, then die.
All of the world systems are set in place to keep us from following God. "Keep em busy doing nothing" if you will. The fact that you are seeing the error in that system is a great sign.

winner08:
 Sorry I haven't learn how to quote yet so i just copied and pasted this from Larissa4676

I'm new here as well so I hope what I share helps. I think it's great that you've seen your "lust for money." I've thought about that allot since coming out of Babylon. Most folks will tell you they do not lust for money (those that I know anyway) but their lives contradict that. They spend 8-10 hours per day preparing, traveling to, working, traveling from, spending time out of their Word studies, away from family all to make money. They go to "church" for a couple of hours a day and complain that the service is too long. Who are they really serving.

I don't mean do disrespect, But I don't understand this line of though. I have to work, I have to prepare and travel to and from work. I have to spend time out of my Word studies and away from my family, all to make money. I just don't go to church a couple hr. a day. I don;t go to church period. Never really did. That being said I must do these things you seem to think is lusting for money just so I can survive, feed my family, clothe them and such. I have no new cars or bikes no riches. I make ends meet as someone here said. That's it. I wish I did not have to work. I wish I could just spend my day with my family and study the Word. But I can't. I don't find what I do a lust for money.  I find what I do necessary. Like I said I am not trying to disrespect you in anyway, I might have misunderstood you words it would be the first time I have done that. If so I am sorry. If not then I have to disagree with you. Most people have to work and spend less and less time with their family. Most people have to go out and make money. I don't believe that means they lust after it. Now I do understand that many do lust after money. The greedy ones. The ones that want more and more. Me and the people I know Just make enough to get by.

Darren

larissa4676:
Hey Darren.

No problem. First let me make this correction I meant that " people" not you specifically, go to church a few hours a WEEK not day.

Who's work are we completing when we work? Are we making a positive influence/impact in the world with our work or are we just making money? Are we afraid what would happen if we don't have money for bills? Do we think that God won't provide?


I wasn't trying to accuse you of lusting for money and I apologize if I made you or anyone feel that way. I was only attempting to express that it is great that God allowed Joe to see his lusts. I furthered that point by showing the contrast between what folks say they believe and what their actions shows.

I am open to correction.

1Ti 6:10  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through  with many sorrows.

1Ti 6:11  But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience,
meekness.
 

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